Report a player - 531 - GTA RP

[Big Wez]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: wezly marlos

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 531

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 05/31/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 2242

What best describes this incident ?: NVL

Please (in detail) describe the incident: Me and a few members of marabunta decided to join the lost Rideout with fat suits and turtle masks on for a laugh to which it was at first then while we were all riding desync was a pain in the ass and everyone was crashing into each other and what not and for some reason everyone was blaming "the turtles" people began ramming into us attempting to knock us off our bikes and eventually just after zancudo bridge i was knocked off the bridge and downed NHS shortly after saved me I then got in a local car to catch up to the Rideout to see if everyone else was okay i then saw 2 or 3 of us i cant fully remember lying on the floor, at this point i had taken my fat suit and turtle mask off to avoid being killed. I watched the lost put my friends inside a local car and take the dirt path, then me and ben went back to turf and told the rest of the gang that the lost were dumping some of us that was on the Rideout we then agreed to go and look for them and went to check under the zancudo bridge first i was abit far ahead of everyone because i was on a faster bike. I drove under the bridge and didnt see anyone so i kept driving forward to see a local car on the beach and then eventually the same lost member that i saw get in the local car with our members earlier. they then catch me and put me in zip ties and into a local car and take me down back towards city where 531 cuts me out of zip ties and as he turns his back i pull my gun out and aim it at him telling him to put his hands up get out the car and put your hands up which he ignores and attempts to get away. I feel like He did not attempt to value his life considering the circumstances that he was in (a gun pointed to his head at very short range) and attempted to just drive off cutting the roleplay short the clip shows it happening. however i do not have any footage of the Rideout as i didn't have any reason to clip it at the time .

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWOVaaWDUzo



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Mike Polo]

Heyya I am 531,

I wanna know why you made no attempts to resolve?

Based on the Fact Omizz was able to put it in the groups discord last night you had plenty of time to share with the rest of your gang

even went as far to name the MP4 'LOST_smoked'

 

[Stuart]

Since this report is against a member of the Staff/Dev team it will be reviewed by Staff Leads.

 

[Bowen]

I'm confused... He had a gun pointed at him and tried to flee unsuccessfully. Not ideal and maybe would have preferred to see him comply but as a moment split decision i see how this could happen

So, my question.... Why the report? Were you harmed by this? I'm so confused.

Edit: it has been pointed out to me that my wording here makes it look like there is no case to answer for and I'm shutting this down. Not the case, more questions are to be asked if both sides. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Mike Polo]

@Big Wez Since I didnt get the oppertunity to talk this out in a liason im gonna have todo all that here.

Im gonna flip this on its head for a second,

Here is a screen shot of me from your POV stood with a knife that would be really close to you as I was cutting the ziptie and you decide to pull the gun. ( you can see that you used your hot bar key to select the gun before I move the knife away from you)

Would that not be NVL of yourself to pull a gun when someone has a knife to you?

If this wasnt a video game I would of been able to see reaching for you gun as I cut the ziptie and i would of stabbed you right were you stood.

"At all times you are to value your life, if you are clearly outnumbered or at an obvious disadvantage you should comply with demands."

At this moment you were at an obvious disadvantage as I was cutting your ziptie with a knife to you yet you decide to pull a gun.

you decided in that moment instead of valueing your life you were gonna go for the win.

I then get in the car. at that moment the tables turn I get stuck in a animation so I am unable to attack you / I wasnt quick enought to react, you start yelling demands and I see 3 choices. I can run, I can try and ram you with the car or I can fake complying and stab or shoot you.

Faking followed by attacking would be too close to NVL for my liking. I could ram you with the car but instead since I already had the intention to drive I did so and floored it.

If I was at such a disavantage why did you miss 5 shots (you missed 4 shots, then hit me followed by another missed shot). If I had not gotten in the car you would of been on the ground from me stabbing you.

you got lucky! and you got to take me to the dodgy doctor inorder to try to steal my gun off me by right this should be my report of you for pulling a gun while i had a knife pulled on you! but I didnt report you I rolled with it. There is no where in this situation where I tried to dick you over. I decided to cut you loose and I decided to flee instead of fight. you got to take me hostage and you got the opertunity to try to get my gun off me.

but my reward for attending the Ride was

Not being able to finish the ride.

Reported twice for pretty much the same situation.

and losing all my Kit.

you on the other hand got beaten up for being a turtle and 10 - 15 minutes in zip ties hardly fair huh?

But since I have nothing to hide here is my complete POV, (appart from the chat box section becuase I had staff int running)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEKs7fWLnSQ

and as a side note naming the MP4 'LOST_smoked' suggests you were happy that you managed to shoot me rather than upset that you or I NVLed

Also I would like to remind you to answer both mine and @Bowen's questions.

 

[Big Wez]

right sorry I haven't replied in a few days I was away the weekend but I'm back now so first of all regarding you accusing me of NVL and a win mentality I think that's a very far reach.

1 because in that screenshot can you show me where the fuck the knife is because I'm pretty sure You cant see it in the screenshot also in that screenshot you You claim the I pulled the gun out on you whilst the knife is still out but if you look at your point of view you don't actually see my gun until you are in the car and yes the camera placement was a bit unlucky on your behalf regardless though your back was turned when the gun was pointed and you were getting in the car so your knife was useless which is not my fault by the way and neither is it yours. To nit pick and talk about my POV and what I saw and did within 2 seconds and even that is pushing it is just silly really. At no point after the zip tie was cut was I at a disadvantage your knife was down by Your side and I had a gun that I could pull out in a second you were alone and nobody knew where you were. its not my fault that you didn't choose to search me and ask me to drop my weapons to prevent what inevitably happened I roleplayed that situation well asking you multiple times to get out the car and put your hands up and since you would like to compare this to real life by saying this  "If this wasnt a video game I would of been able to see reaching for you gun as I cut the zip tie and I would of stabbed you right were you stood." you did not see me reach for anything as your back was turned and then when you did see the gun (I'm going to pretend this is real life like you have) how would you of had time to pull your car keys out your pocket put them in the ignition turn the key and reverse off in a straight line and get away with a gun pointed at you.

"If I was at such a disavantage why did you miss 5 shots (you missed 4 shots, then hit me followed by another missed shot). If I had not gotten in the car you would of been on the ground from me stabbing you." blatant lie I don't want to sound like I'm trying to be disrespectful but anyone with a braincell can watch your POV and see you died in the 1st bullet but i will agree in my clip it does look like it took a few more shots my guess is because of kill effects being removed and DSYNC.

You were absolutely at a disadvantage i will list them.

.Alone 

.in a car down a dead end alley which you needed to reverse to get out of 

.No one was aware of your location 

.you didn't have a weapon you could use in a car which makes perfect sense because you had a shotgun

.you had a gun which can kill you at a decent range pointed at you 

its extremely naive of you to say that I was at the disadvantage and that i was the one with the win mentality in that situation. half of what you have said in your defence is blatantly a lie as there was alot more backstory then you make out to be saying "you got lucky! and you got to take me to the dodgy doctor inorder to try to steal my gun off me by right this should be my report of you for pulling a gun while i had a knife pulled on you! but I didnt report you I rolled with it. There is no where in this situation where I tried to dick you over. I decided to cut you loose and I decided to flee instead of fight. you got to take me hostage and you got the opertunity to try to get my gun off me." i tried to take you alive but you did not value your life and forced the roleplay to a end which is where i will respond to @Bowen i was not harmed in this scenario at all but because I wasn't harmed does that mean I shouldn't report rule breaks?. This is clear NVL with the disadvantages I've listed above the roleplay would of been good if this didn't happen this actually made the roleplay pretty boring and unfun which is my reason for the report and i know for a fact if roles were reversed I would already be banned and i would be willing to accept that because I'm aware that what happened was a clear case of win mentality and NVL nothing more nothing less (on mikes behalf btw not mine) 

1 final thing to clear up "and as a side note naming the MP4 'LOST_smoked' suggests you were happy that you managed to shoot me rather than upset that you or I NVLed" i simply named it to be able to find it in all my clips easier the name of the MP4 doesn't excuse your rule break.

 

[Mike Polo]

@Big Wez Understandably you disagree with me but you dont get to call me a liar with no braincells and a win mentality. I can see why you didnt try to resolve, Sadly its due to some missplaced ressentment.

I dunno what I did to make you ressent me but mayby you could fill me in?

 

[Big Wez]

Hi, @Mike Polo

I have nothing against you I don't think I had even met you up until the other day I would prefer if you didn't try to make it out that , that's my motive for the report when it is not.

 You broke a rule which is such a common rule that people break and I can only help but feel that a member of the dev team should be setting a better example rather than trying to make me look like I made this report out of resentment.

I don't think anything else needs to be said on this report unless you have some relevant questions. I will be leaving this for staff to deal with. 

 

[Mike Polo]

Hi, @Mike Polo

I have nothing against you I don't think I had even met you up until the other day I would prefer if you didn't try to make it out that , that's my motive for the report when it is not.

 You broke a rule which is such a common rule that people break and I can only help but feel that a member of the dev team should be setting a better example rather than trying to make me look like I made this report out of resentment.

I don't think anything else needs to be said on this report unless you have some relevant questions. I will be leaving this for staff to deal with. 

I would prefer if I got a chance to explain myself before being reported.

I am a member of the Development Team and have done so for a long time now.

I hold myself to a higher standard of Roleplay than most.

I highly dislike you have descided to try and paint me as a Liar with no braincells and a win mentality.

What am I ment to belive when your calling me all those things in a report, If I had a Win mentality would I really try and let you go? would I not try to dump you? I dunno how I win by letting you go, None of my roleplay is centered about winning. I am quite happy to roll the dice to see who wins in a situation.

Because of you and your friends actions I have experinced the following

I didnt get to finish the ride

I've been reported twice without being taken to liason so Ihave been unable can explain myself

Lost all my Stuff due to dying.

NVL is a rule centered around Obvious disavantages and not for 1v1 battles.

When you have 5 people surrounding you all with guns that is an obvious disavantage.

1v1 battle where it is a diceroll who is going to come out on top is not an obvious disavantage

I wanna state for the record that If I was at an obvious disavantage I would of complied but you didnt have me at one.

If I had ran you over so you couldnt shoot me I would of managed to kill you.

I find it funny the simalaraties to a previous report you made



No attempt to resolve before reporting.

Agaisnt a Group that you have issues with.

Stuff being shared in the marabunta discord.

questionable motive for reporting.

Is this a revenge report too? did other marabunta members persuade you to report me?

Is this your modus operandi? do you only report people you have conflict with?

From the begining I belived that this was all because you didnt manage to get my gun off me at the dodgy so you decided to try and win over the forums by reporting me and I belive we have the answer to that now dont we?

I can see where that resentment comes from now its not because you know who i am, its because you lost.

I'm done with this report, I have tried to resolve this with you to no avail. I too will now wait for the staff leads decision.

I hope you reconsider how you deal with your percived rulebreaks in the future, Roleplay is all about fair play and drama. its not about ruining the experince for other players.

 

[Big Wez]

 I'm not gonna bother to go into a lot of detail for these silly questions ill answer them short and sweet.

"If I had ran you over so you couldn't shoot me I would of managed to kill you." this is very unlikely as I was to the side of the car not in front you would of had to reverse and then attempt to but I would of had an easier shot to kill you and I'm sure that would of made your case of NVL look worse.

"I highly dislike you have decided to try and paint me as a Liar with no braincells and a win mentality." Yes I called you a liar because you did lie. I did not miss 4 shots on you you died in the first bullet I don't even know why that matters anyway but you did lie. No I did not say you had no braincells please don't twist my words to paint a bad picture of me I said " blatant lie I don't want to sound like I'm trying to be disrespectful but anyone with a braincell can watch your POV and see you died in the 1st bullet but I will agree in my clip it does look like it took a few more shots my guess is because of kill effects being removed and DSYNC." I said anyone with a braincell can watch your POV and see that you are lying that is what I meant I am sorry if you thought that was meant to be directed at you and I did state before I said that "I don't want to sound like I'm trying to be disrespectful".

"NVL is a rule centered around Obvious disavantages and not for 1v1 battles.

When you have 5 people surrounding you all with guns that is an obvious disavantage.

1v1 battle where it is a diceroll who is going to come out on top is not an obvious disavantage"

I'm not being funny but You were at a disadvantage hence why you died in that scenario. You forced the roleplay to a end but not valuing your life not me, I can see exactly why you are defensive in this report because it was scummy of me to backstab you after you let me go but that was my plan from the start You knew me as a "ex marabunta member" so i knew i had a chance to blag my why out of it and turn against you at any chance I get, I played my cards right and unfortunately you didn't and my guess is out of frustration of being backstabbed you didn't think clearly and didn't value your life when you should of.

I'm just wondering what my previous report has to do with anything in this one and how you could accuse me of a revenge report with this reasoning " From the begining I belived that this was all because you didnt manage to get my gun off me at the dodgy so you decided to try and win over the forums by reporting me and I belive we have the answer to that now dont we?" I wanted to take you alive I did already say this. My idea was to zip tie you and take you to the rest of the gang that watched You kidnap me in the first place so we could create a RP scenario where we get our members back for you but instead and I'm going to repeat myself again you did not value your life and chose to cut the roleplay short your trying to deflect your actions by making me look like I made this report with immoral intentions.

I'm going to state some facts here maybe you'll better understand how much your grasping at straws here 

.the previous report was a robbery so a completely different scenario my intention was a kidnapping 

.The rule that I believe was broken there was Poor RP and common sense not NVL they are 2 completely different things 

.I've already said this in previous replies that I had a gun to your head  at very short range and your only chance to escape was to reverse in a straight line .You couldn't of killed me unless you got out the car and stabbed me or tried to pull out your shotgun but again that would of made this report worse on you. You could of tried to run me over but lets be honest I can roll with a gun to better position myself at any moment I was also stood at the side of your car in a tight alley so you would of needed to reverse before trying to run me over.

You are now taking this report way further than it needed to be because you are to stubborn to admit when you are in the wrong, clearly, as your trying to flip this on me when I have done nothing but put a reasonable report up about a rule break called NVL and what I'm getting as responses to this report is irrelevant conspiracies from you in order to dig yourself out of this. 

 

[Bowen]

This has gone on long enough at this stage. 

I will address several points in this reply. Some will cause some upset but hey ho, I'm here to apply to rules, not make friends. That being said, I don't do this just to antagonise people either, it's simple a case of no matter what I do here, some people are going to be pissed. 

So, to start with, the conduct in this report. Frankly I would expect better from both sides. This is an adult community and for the life of me I cannot work out why the hell two adults cannot get in a room together and chat this stuff out. I cannot stress my disappointment enough that this simple issue has been allowed to blow up in to something so huge that it needs "the grownups" to deal with it. It boggles the mind. That being said, the report section is here for a reason so here we are. 

Next, the issue of what NVL is. 
Having looked over dozens of reports researching what to do with this one, I see the NVL rule be applied very differently by different staff members and this is on us as staff leads. We are currently putting in place a method of communication with the staff about how each rule should be interpreted. Of course staff still have their ability to make calls about when a rule break is worth punishing etc but we will have to nail down how we apply NVL specifically. 
     NVL was originally put in place purely to stop peopling willingly dying just to screw over another party. For example, you have a gun to the back of someone's head, a friend in front with a gun etc, and you tell them to drop their stuff. They say no, fully knowing that they are going to die. The only reason for them to do this is to attempt to screw you over by withholding their items knowing that they are going to die and you aren't going to get it. That is not the case here. Please see this report.



Now as stated before, I expect a load of crap about this but I would like to give a simple piece of advice to anyone who is upset by this. This is now done. How we apply the rule will change from here. The rule wording may change. If you feel the need to put messages on the forum, or to message me calling me braindead, or to moan in rpuk groups, etc, etc, just dont... It will change nothing about how this has been handled and will likely just end in restrictions etc. I get that this isn't the result someone you would hope for. I'm not entirely sure why but that's another issue altogether. I don't want to see us lose players over something like this, but if you aren't happy here then I also wouldn't wish to hold you back. I mean this in the nicest way possible but I know it won't come across like that. Do me a favour though and ask yourself, How many of you have run from cops when they have guns pointed at you? Is that the server you want to play on? The one where the person who pulls a gun wins, regardless of situation, regardless of risk. I know that's not what I want, and I know that isn't what we designed the NVL rule to be. 

To clarify, the NVL rule should only apply if a person essentially chooses to die, as opposed to letting the other side "win". This may be a situation where it is realistically impossible for one to survive, e.g. surrounded by 10 people with guns, or where they choose death purely to "screw over" the opposing side. Taking a chance isn't NVL.

Report Denied. 

 

[Bowen]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.