Report a player - 480 and Unknown - GTA RP

[RichieRichUK]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Kip Wilson

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 480 and Unknown

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 03/21/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1930

What best describes this incident ?: NVL, RDM, powergaming and failrp.

Please (in detail) describe the incident: I was on patrol with Harry Millar. Approached some people at a gas station for there driving, Two people pulled guns out on us. One of the officers NVL a little bit by not putting there hands up when a gun is drawn, I did fire my taser when he had his back to me put eventually put my hands up. I followed the two peoples demands and told them I am being held at gunpoint. 480 the officer on the bike still followed when I said I had a gun to my head. People in the car started firing at him and then the officer shot me out the vehicle and the other guy. I feel this is failRP as I am being held at gunpoint and he still follows when I told them to back off. I still had advantages of not being ziptied I could put in a cheeky panic when arriving at a location etc. I feel this could have lead to some great RP.

Whilst In Liaison with 480 he explained that he knew you can't shoot at others in vehicles, that is why he kept following us. I believe this is blatant Powergaming. He knew the other guy couldn't shoot at me in the vehicle so he abused that game mechanic. I feel all RP was stopped when it could have led to some really interesting RP other than him just opening fire with his gun and abusing a game mechanic.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/10GW7JXmFXVaJt/d13379Vnt45Z?invite=cr-MSw5WHosNTQwOTM2NzQs



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[JamesShaw]

Well I knew this was going to be coming at some point, however there was no need to lie within the report itself.

The NVL claim, I mean seriously unless the clip you have just provided shows otherwise the 2 suspects just mag dumped multiple officers injuring them in the process. So yes I did follow the car you were in due to immediate danger to yourselves as previously seen in the clip when you were shot at. The RP itself was shoddy from the people in the Impereza I believe that is the car at least. They had 2 officers hostage in the vehicle and have already been willing to kill other officers in the process. Did I show one sign of Aggression ? Absolutely not I stayed at a distance trying to preserve your lives whilst making sure you can't be dumped else where. I only proceeded to shoot once I was shot at as it was self defense. Which takes me onto my next point whilst in Liaison you lied directly to me about what had happened however that is an RP issue ( Being Ziptied). You had the chance to jump out of the car when it stopped next to the Pharmacy however you decided not to. (See you may question why I mentioned this aspect , to put it simply you wanted to be taken hostage as I recall you saying ''I know them OOC''.) 

I assume you must be reporting the two friends of yours who shot officers for RDM? Atleast if not then I am fairly disturbed at your view on this situation, seeing as soon as it happened you flogged OOC chat in an immature manner. Complaining about the situation multiple times whilst being told to wait for a Liaison. You then took it to Police - Members chat complaining multiple times. Just Screams toxicity and saltiness to me, for other people I'm not so sure but the reactions would most likely go with my view.

Powergaming? I mean come on, not once did I say I did it in an attempt to abuse an ingame mechanic , so the lying in my opinion is unnecessary and a bit odd. Yes I know about this mechanic, was it abused absolutely not. I was in a gang on my crim character and am fully aware of what limitations come with it. However as I explained that isn't my fault, it is a game mechanic I didn't drive upto the car and shout '' well you cant shoot him because you are also in a car with him.'' I still stayed back and continued with the chase, I did not shoot tyres and gave them a chance to get away. So the power gaming accusation is insane in my opinion. So please provide proof of me claiming to abuse this mechanic, if not then the Powergaming accusation should be tossed out the window. 

I mean I'm assuming the Fail RP is just a sum of this report as a whole so not going to be replying to this.

I do want to question why you felt it was necessary to start kicking of in OOC chat, Police Members and the Liaison. You were extremely abrupt and seemed to be quite angered about what had happened ?  So is this a genuine report or just a revenge report ?  Why did you boast about the fact you are going to be putting in a complaint (ingame complaint)  whilst in Liaison before even doing so ? 

To sum it up , I was not the person who lied, it was quite the other way around. There was no NVL as they shot multiple officers I am there to save lives not let you get kidnapped and killed elsewhere. They knew you had a radio because they asked you to do comms so would have taken it off of you before once again moving you.

The quality of pictures below are some what poor as I had to grab them off of a medal clip.

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[RichieRichUK]

Well I knew this was going to be coming at some point, however there was no need to lie within the report itself.

The NVL claim, I mean seriously unless the clip you have just provided shows otherwise the 2 suspects just mag dumped multiple officers injuring them in the process. So yes I did follow the car you were in due to immediate danger to yourselves as previously seen in the clip when you were shot at. The RP itself was shoddy from the people in the Impereza I believe that is the car at least. They had 2 officers hostage in the vehicle and have already been willing to kill other officers in the process. Did I show one sign of Aggression ? Absolutely not I stayed at a distance trying to preserve your lives whilst making sure you can't be dumped else where. I only proceeded to shoot once I was shot at as it was self defense. Which takes me onto my next point whilst in Liaison you lied directly to me about what had happened however that is an RP issue ( Being Ziptied). You had the chance to jump out of the car when it stopped next to the Pharmacy however you decided not to. (See you may question why I mentioned this aspect , to put it simply you wanted to be taken hostage as I recall you saying ''I know them OOC''.) 

I assume you must be reporting the two friends of yours who shot officers for RDM? Atleast if not then I am fairly disturbed at your view on this situation, seeing as soon as it happened you flogged OOC chat in an immature manner. Complaining about the situation multiple times whilst being told to wait for a Liaison. You then took it to Police - Members chat complaining multiple times. Just Screams toxicity and saltiness to me, for other people I'm not so sure but the reactions would most likely go with my view.

Powergaming? I mean come on, not once did I say I did it in an attempt to abuse an ingame mechanic , so the lying in my opinion is unnecessary and a bit odd. Yes I know about this mechanic, was it abused absolutely not. I was in a gang on my crim character and am fully aware of what limitations come with it. However as I explained that isn't my fault, it is a game mechanic I didn't drive upto the car and shout '' well you cant shoot him because you are also in a car with him.'' I still stayed back and continued with the chase, I did not shoot tyres and gave them a chance to get away. So the power gaming accusation is insane in my opinion. So please provide proof of me claiming to abuse this mechanic, if not then the Powergaming accusation should be tossed out the window. 

I mean I'm assuming the Fail RP is just a sum of this report as a whole so not going to be replying to this.

I do want to question why you felt it was necessary to start kicking of in OOC chat, Police Members and the Liaison. You were extremely abrupt and seemed to be quite angered about what had happened ?  So is this a genuine report or just a revenge report ?  Why did you boast about the fact you are going to be putting in a complaint (ingame complaint)  whilst in Liaison before even doing so ? 

To sum it up , I was not the person who lied, it was quite the other way around. There was no NVL as they shot multiple officers I am there to save lives not let you get kidnapped and killed elsewhere. They knew you had a radio because they asked you to do comms so would have taken it off of you before once again moving you.

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"The NVL claim, I mean seriously unless the clip you have just provided shows otherwise the 2 suspects just mag dumped multiple officers injuring them in the process. So yes I did follow the car you were in due to immediate danger to yourselves as previously seen in the clip when you were shot at. The RP itself was shoddy from the people in the Impereza I believe that is the car at least. They had 2 officers hostage in the vehicle and have already been willing to kill other officers in the process. Did I show one sign of Aggression ? Absolutely not I stayed at a distance trying to preserve your lives whilst making sure you can't be dumped else where. I only proceeded to shoot once I was shot at as it was self defense. Which takes me onto my next point whilst in Liaison you lied directly to me about what had happened however that is an RP issue ( Being Ziptied). You had the chance to jump out of the car when it stopped next to the Pharmacy however you decided not to. (See you may question why I mentioned this aspect , to put it simply you wanted to be taken hostage as I recall you saying ''I know them OOC''.) "

I just want to give my reply to the NVL, When a gun is drawn you should be scared. Yeah he did hide behind the car and pull a gun so I am not sure on if it'd be NVL. 

I don't understand how it'd be RDM on there behalf considering we tried to arrest them and they held us up that's my opinion though. 

I feel you had No value to my life. I told you on the radio that he had a gun to my head and you continued acting aggressively could have let the roleplay play out instead of going for a W Mentality.  I was more mad that you had no value to my life. There was 2 officers in the back of the vehicle that did nothing in that situation and had no control on it. Instead you decided to open fire back. 

"They had 2 officers hostage in the vehicle and have already been willing to kill other officers in the process. Did I show one sign of Aggression ?"

I feel you did NVL, yes. You had no value to your life whilst you were chasing on that bike. You say ' have already been willing to kill other officers in the process' They have already killed 2 officers and your chasing 2 people with guns and your 1 person with a gun. I'd completely understand if you were in a vehicle with 1 other person but you are already out-numbered by 2 people and your 1. 

"I do want to question why you felt it was necessary to start kicking of in OOC chat, Police Members and the Liaison. You were extremely abrupt and seemed to be quite angered about what had happened ?  So is this a genuine report or just a revenge report ?  Why did you boast about the fact you are going to be putting in a complaint (ingame complaint)  whilst in Liaison before even doing so ? "

I never kicked off in the Liaison, no one did other than you saying you know you can't shoot in the back of the vehicle that's why you believed that it was not a threat I had a gun to my head which I felt you used the game mechanic in your advantage. You then shot me when I am in the back of the vehicle when I am not shooting or wanted to be taken hostage as Kip. 
I do know the person that took me hostage and I believe he would of provided good RP. I don't know his character name in RP, I have never met that character of his. 

I put FailRP as I felt you could have dealt with this situation so much better. You are a police officer and you are shooting your own colleagues, acting like a gang member in my opinion. You could have kept a distance on the vehicle and followed it until more units were involved before trying to make a stop by yourself. You are approaching 2 people that have guns. I am sure the two people in the vehicle would have provided good roleplay for us.

I'd like to say Sorry to staff about the immaturity on my behalf I just wished this situation would have played out better and actually had better Roleplay.

 

[JamesShaw]

I know I said I wasn't going to reply however just wanted to address this common view that people have on the police as of right now. This W mentality saying is being taken so out of hand. Do you want too let them kill me for it to be considered Police being fair? They had shot 2 officers for crying out loud, and had 2 more hostage in the back of the vehicle. I gave them a chase it was their decision to turn around start shooting not mine. This idea is chucked around so much now that Police can't simply do their job without being accused of trying to win every situation. 

Did they have to shoot ? No

Did they shoot at me hitting me multiple times ? Yes

I had valued your life by staying back as much as possible during the chase but I simply cannot let them get away with officers who are taken hostage and after they just shot and injured 2 more. Yes I was on my own did I value my life, 100% I didn't drive up next to them shouting orders at them, nor did I try to ram them with a bike. I stayed back and as soon as they turned their car towards me I turned away, that was until they started shooting me. At that point I am valuing my life by shooting back, they have already murdered officers and how many more do they want to on their rampage? 

My other bike unit was making way to the situation in addition to the firearms units who were also attending the scene. I'm on a bike as you quite clearly pointed out so I'm going to be at situations quicker giving comms when in a pursuit or just simply gathering intel for when the appropriate officers show up. However I didn't have the chance to do that because they opened fire on me.

 Calling me a gang member seriously ? Telling me to stay back ? 

I did all that as much as I possibly could until I was fired upon in which I retaliated, were you unfortunately caught in the cross fire, yes. However you made a full recovery me driving on a bike whilst travelling would be a lot more fatal.  

As you have said yes you were in the back of the vehicle, but you had chances to jump out whilst their attention was on me. This would quite simply have removed yourself from the situation. However you seemed to go along with it quite fine. 

As soon as you got up from hospital it was straight to the station to file a report so you obviously weren't injured too drastically, there could have been more RP into this collecting my body worn evidence to have seen my POV, but this is a RP story. 



The image right here shows my POV whilst showing up. If I wanted to win I would have simply shot from outside instead of letting the chase continue. I would say I don't have a win mentality and I'm sure a lot of others would agree. It's a game at the end of the day yes it's serious RP, but I always give criminals a chance to be creative with a getaway. Here was just straight up shooting.

 

[RichieRichUK]

I know I said I wasn't going to reply however just wanted to address this common view that people have on the police as of right now. This W mentality saying is being taken so out of hand. Do you want too let them kill me for it to be considered Police being fair? They had shot 2 officers for crying out loud, and had 2 more hostage in the back of the vehicle. I gave them a chase it was their decision to turn around start shooting not mine. This idea is chucked around so much now that Police can't simply do their job without being accused of trying to win every situation. 

Did they have to shoot ? No

Did they shoot at me hitting me multiple times ? Yes

I had valued your life by staying back as much as possible during the chase but I simply cannot let them get away with officers who are taken hostage and after they just shot and injured 2 more. Yes I was on my own did I value my life, 100% I didn't drive up next to them shouting orders at them, nor did I try to ram them with a bike. I stayed back and as soon as they turned their car towards me I turned away, that was until they started shooting me. At that point I am valuing my life by shooting back, they have already murdered officers and how many more do they want to on their rampage? 

My other bike unit was making way to the situation in addition to the firearms units who were also attending the scene. I'm on a bike as you quite clearly pointed out so I'm going to be at situations quicker giving comms when in a pursuit or just simply gathering intel for when the appropriate officers show up. However I didn't have the chance to do that because they opened fire on me.

 Calling me a gang member seriously ? Telling me to stay back ? 

I did all that as much as I possibly could until I was fired upon in which I retaliated, were you unfortunately caught in the cross fire, yes. However you made a full recovery me driving on a bike whilst travelling would be a lot more fatal.  

As you have said yes you were in the back of the vehicle, but you had chances to jump out whilst their attention was on me. This would quite simply have removed yourself from the situation. However you seemed to go along with it quite fine. 

As soon as you got up from hospital it was straight to the station to file a report so you obviously weren't injured too drastically, there could have been more RP into this collecting my body worn evidence to have seen my POV, but this is a RP story. 

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The image right here shows my POV whilst showing up. If I wanted to win I would have simply shot from outside instead of letting the chase continue. I would say I don't have a win mentality and I'm sure a lot of others would agree. It's a game at the end of the day yes it's serious RP, but I always give criminals a chance to be creative with a getaway. Here was just straight up shooting.

"I know I said I wasn't going to reply however just wanted to address this common view that people have on the police as of right now. This W mentality saying is being taken so out of hand. Do you want too let them kill me for it to be considered Police being fair? They had shot 2 officers for crying out loud, and had 2 more hostage in the back of the vehicle. I gave them a chase it was their decision to turn around start shooting not mine. This idea is chucked around so much now that Police can't simply do their job without being accused of trying to win every situation. 

Did they have to shoot ? No

Did they shoot at me hitting me multiple times ? Yes

I had valued your life by staying back as much as possible during the chase but I simply cannot let them get away with officers who are taken hostage and after they just shot and injured 2 more. Yes I was on my own did I value my life, 100% I didn't drive up next to them shouting orders at them, nor did I try to ram them with a bike. I stayed back and as soon as they turned their car towards me I turned away, that was until they started shooting me. At that point I am valuing my life by shooting back, they have already murdered officers and how many more do they want to on their rampage? "

In my opinion you should have been scared. You know they have guns and you still follow them that close by yourself. Kip was scared for his life but OOC I was like yes could be some good Roleplay happening here. In my opinion you are out-numbered still stayed on scene shooting at 2 people that had guns.  In my opinion you had plenty of time to leave when they shot at you and you should valued your life and been scared( I could be wrong).

JamesShaw — Today at 20:25
dw they will be in my cop montage, dropping it soon
[20:25]
For GCHQ reasons thats a joke

I feel your mentality shows from here, Yes I was salty but I am here to roleplay, you can't win every situation and I feel it would of been cool to see how this played out.  

" Calling me a gang member seriously ? Telling me to stay back ? "

In my opinion there you acted like a gang member yes. You have two people with guns shooting at you and you continue to push them I swear thats how gangs act. You could of valued my life sitting in the back of the vehicle and the other officers life by just riding away when the first shot was fired instead of pushing on your ones. 

I didn't want to jump out of the vehicle as Kip was scared. I was held at gun point at one point then all of a sudden gunshots, I didn't know what to do.

"As soon as you got up from hospital it was straight to the station to file a report so you obviously weren't injured too drastically, there could have been more RP into this collecting my body worn evidence to have seen my POV, but this is a RP story. "

Only local doctors about and yes I did cause I felt you didn't value Kips life by shooting at the vehicle with myself in. 

 

[JamesShaw]

With regards to ''you should have been Scared'' - 

Any firearms incident precaution has to be taken. I took that precaution, there are 2 officers in the back of the vehicle who have currently been taken hostage, I have backup on the way. I am also FTOC trained as you have previously said '' I hope he looses FTOC '' I have a decent idea on how to deal with similar situations. This was a small scale situation only 2 offenders with backup on the way. I stayed back as much as possible as a cop should. I valued my life as much as possible whilst also being aware that 2 officers are in serious danger if I am not able to stick with the vehicle. I didn't want to shoot however I was shot at. I am trained as an officer to shoot to preserve life which I did do. Yes unfortunately you were injured in the process but, from any cops POV, they have just shot 2 officers and are willing to carry on doing so. So loosing sight on both of you could also be loosing any hopes of getting you back as most criminals will get rid of any evidence possible including officers bodies.

I did not act as a gang member as you have suggested. I stayed back whilst also staying with the vehicle I tried my best not engage in a gunfight, however unfortunately they had other ideas. I did not shoot the tires out on the vehicle to prevent them from getting away from me. I acted as an officer should which is be aware of the situation they are placing themselves. I did not rush in as a one man army guns blazing like I am playing TDM. 

My mssgs were put in the chat to bring light to the situation, to lighten the mood. It was put in for a laugh, there was no malicious meaning behind it or directed at anyone. 
I will just reinforce the fact that I didn't powergame in any shape or form just continued to chase the vehicle which had murdered officers.

 

[RichieRichUK]

ill close this report please

 

[Liam]

Closed as per player request

 

[Liam]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.