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Report a player - 464 455 198 373 396 188 76 492 151 and other NSC member seen in the CLIP - GTA RP

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d3nnis.

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Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Draco Hunter
Reported Players: 464 455 198 373 396 188 76 492 151 and other NSC member seen in the CLIP
Date: Dec 22, 2024
Time: 20:55
What best describes this incident: RDM, Common sense, and no roleplay behind those actions.
Please (in detail) describe the incident: As i was on my bike Passing Local Impound ive seen some cars checking who that is, since i wanted to know that. after around 10-20seconds i drove off with NSC Behind me when i kept driving going up the Bridge they started shooting all out of the nowhere, when i stopped to ask them why they shoot me they said ,,oh we thought u have a gun which i clearly didnt have. then they told me to put my hands up which i did they searched me and ziptied me for no legit reason, then they put me in their car for 10 mins or so not roleplaying or talking to me or anything else. after reaching sandy airfield they just dodgied someone and let me stay there with no valid roleplay behind all those actions. i even tryed to call them QE multiple times which they refused since they never came. (Rules broken in my Eyes C1.7 Common sense & G1.2 Random Deathmatch)

Im still wanna know what Brings NSC to do all that, i would expect more from gangs there was lit no RP + i wasnt on my Grove acc so there was no reason to do anything to me Aswell.
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jkYZHc2zUc-n9Drll?invite=cr-MSxkTVYsMTkyMDA1OTcyLA & clip 2 https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jkZ9acvMjuCaptKrC?invite=cr-MSxFNmksMTkyMDA1OTcyLA
 
Hello d3nnis,

I was ID 188 and will be responding on behalf of NSC for this situation.

As you can see at the start of the clip, we found a Grove member within a local red car at the car impound. We decided to hands him and he drove off, where we killed the individual shortly after. This is where you pull up outside the impound and question who is it by saying ,'this ballas?' in discord. From what I can gather, you are looking for a particular gang (which in turn would be us, NSC) and see where abouts we are.

From our POV, a blacked out individual on a bike pulled right outside the impound and looked like he was going to drive inside, possibly get involved. Since you were blacked out, we were unable to verify if you were or were not a Grove member, so one of our members decides to start driving towards you and this is where you drive off. In the clip you provided at around 11 seconds, you point a middle finger, but from Frank's POV it looks like you were pointing a gun backwards, looking like you were going to start shooting, hence this is why we thought you had a gun on you and Frank gave the call that you had a gun. You decided to drive off which led to us gaining suspicion that you were a Grove member yourself. If you had no involvement, you would've had no reason to start driving away and could've just stopped and verified it with us. We tried honking at you to grab your attention (heard in your clip) for you to then stop and us verify that you were not Grove. However this was not the case and we chased you down until your tires were shot out and you got off your bike. When you got off the bike, one of the members searches you and you can hear the confusion as he said, 'he doesn't have a gun' through the radio hence why we started shooting at you in the first place to remove the risk of you going to an advantage point and potentially gaining the opportunity to kill one of us. You had no reason to run from us if you were on your second character.

I would also like to mention the fact that you are on your SECOND character, whilst in a call with someone I believe to be a Grove member (Hunter). I also suspect you are screensharing your game to him from his reaction's in call. From what I can make up from your clip, you are going around the city on your SECOND character checking whether we are at certain spots or even around the city at all. At the start of your clip, you question if 'its ballas', unable to identify who the mass number of cars were, which makes me believe that you were looking for us and once you had identified where we were, you would tell the guy in the call and possible other Grove members that they would be safe to fly in at whatever location they last flew out. A member of our gang was able to translate what you were saying in German and it was along the lines of, 'they are following me' for which Hunter responds with 'who' and you respond with 'you can guess who', for which the Grove member in call instantly responds with 'NSC?'. At the start of the clip you question if its ballas, but his first thought is NSC? I would class this as METAGAMING since you are using OOC information to fly in safely and check if we are around the city. As you mention, you were on your NON-GROVE CHARACTER, which is another reason for you to go looking around the city and check whether the last place you personally flew out would be safe to fly back in, with less chance of us finding and grabbing you.

Frank's POV: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jkYW83o8dlaa73Tuo/ImlGPL1Ad4Ra?invite=cr-MSwwMHEsNzg0ODYyOTAs
 
I don't really understand why there always have to be meta game accusations. But in the first place I wasn't present during the time he played on the Server I was just watching his Stream (because university) and christmas coming up soon so I had no chance to really get online at all. And I already opened a ticket yesterday on Disc and talked about it. What you class as meta gaming is not Meta Gaming in this situation because there might be some misunderstandings and probably because you didn't hear our side. He didn't check or fly around or anything. He self excluded himself from the Casino and this is the only character he can use to go there thats why he was on the second character. Not for any gang purposes.. But whatsoever. 'What you do on the stream, or the information gained from the stream is a different story' is a response I have gotten. Because I wasn't sure myself firstly. And he wasn't using this information to fly in safely and check if you guys are around the city because you guys literally caught him off guard. And since he has his ID with him saying Draco Hunter he drove away not to get G checked because if you guys find his ID you will for sure take him/dump him (which happened)

Also from what I understood you claim it to be meta gaming because you thought it was Hunter talking and him probably being online in city. It was me, not Hunter. Hunter wasn't even present. It was me and my brother in a private call. We talked casually

Plus it's not Hunter who was talking in the stream, it was me just saying I wasn't online or present at all, I didn't even have the chance to enter the Server because I was on my phone watching the stream of my brother. (edit and not home as well)

He wasn't scouting.
He wasn't actively looking for you guys.
You guys chased him afterwards because he was blacked out and drove around civillian impound while just being curious. You checked his ID and saw 'oh Hunter' and then started to take him. (looked for me like it)
Plus I asked him if he recalls why he drove there because i wasn't paying attention to the full stream since my connection was bad in the train and outside at some point, and he said he heard gun shots and then checked. But he didn't check for Grove he checked independently who it is, but not for gang purposes he was just curious as you see in the first clip with him saying ''is it Ballas?''
Every action he did wasn't in the name of Grove, it was without any influence of any other gang, because even I do check sometimes what gang it is out of curiousity.
To know if you guys are around we only use IC methods like calling a phone number, driving around NSC turf to see if they are around.
Even though you guys say he no reason to run from you guys I still think he did because he had an ID on him with the last same name as on his main character and you. Also you guys had faster cars, you could have just pitted him and not shot him or shot the tires.
I wasn't present on GTA at all and wasn't there.
Also he logged out at sanitation on the roof. (so the point of saying that he wanted to check the civillian impound to see if the location is safe doesn't really fit, he just checked it out of curiousity)


Also about saying that we would do it for not being grabbed, I got grabbed 2-3x already and I have no problems with it, if I get grabbed its just because I haven't been careful enough. There's no reason why we would do this.

I really hope this clarifies the meta gaming accusations.

UPDATE: Went to QE, talked to Frank. I understand his view with that it looked like a gun. Also I clarified why the meta game accusations are not correct at all, because we just didn't meta game.

Have a nice xmas.
 
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The escalation to violence in this situation is just unjustified in my opinion and as such falls under RDM. From what i can see, the first person to shoot is the stratum custom.

Shots are fired with almost no interaction prior.

Character : Charlie Roberts
CharID : 25654
Rule : G1.2 RDM

Outcome : 1D (FBS)
 
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