Report a player - 304 and 288 - GTA RP

[Big Wez]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: wezly marlos

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 304 and 288

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 05/14/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1349

What best describes this incident ?: poor/ common sense

Please (in detail) describe the incident: i was just checking my bike that had been impounded to see how much it would be to release i checked it and then i had the UI stuck on my screen so i logged off and joined back i was greeted by these 2 who waited for me to come back to rob me sadly my clip starts at the point of them robbing me but i believe its enough to show the extent of the poor RP that was provided. it was the classic hands up drop your stuff and then leave. i did not call them to ooc to talk about the incident.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://youtu.be/c6YWPmC2ETo



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Steve Wittenberry]

Hello it's me who robbed you in the report.

Firstly I would like to state that whilst this robbery is quick, we are in a public location where people can drive past, including police from a characters perspective it would not make sense for us to wait around in this area, you were told with a gun to your face that we don't want to see anything "funny" and your persons were searched, we then asked you to drop the items that we thought were of some value, asked you to unblock the car and searched that to see if you had hidden or stashed away some items in your car for safe keeping.

We both went to the effort to "mask" our voices, something that I think added to the RP, after the situation you were left alive, giving you a chance for revenge and the ability to "track down" your robbers, and have a chance at redemption for your character.

We didn't chase you down the street screaming "hands hands hands" you were on the side of the road and we both saw an opportunity and took it, unfortunately the items that you had proved of no real value.

The reason like I stated that this was quick is due to the location that this took place, I feel that we left enough opportunity to allow the roleplay to progress and potentially lead to a bigger situation for all parties invovled, we left you alive and did take precautions ie Killing you to remain in the clear from the robbery.
I will say that I can understand your point of view that this was quick and over and done with pretty soon, but that to me is how a robbery is meant to be, my character is a criminal and wants nothing to do with the police, why would my character risk getting a prison sentence or the potential chance of your friend pulling up and causing harm, he isn't going. I could understand your point more if we had both screamed at you to "hands hands hands" taken your items and then left, however that is not the case, we both spoke at a speed you could understand gave you clear and simple instructions which you followed.

As a character I have no reason to take you hostage or kidnap you for any reason, and again this would increase the chance of my characters criminal convictions increasing. Now if we had a vendetta against your character or a reason to cause you harm, we would have taken this further potentially kidnapping yourself adding more depth to the situation. This was a simple robbery, using common sense, speed is the objective in my personal opinion walking around parading guns out in the middle of the street lacks common sense and is not something my criminal character is going to do.
Now i can only feel like you have taken some sort of OOC dislike to me and feel that reporting me was the only option you had and this lead you not liaising the situation. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, however I feel that you have taken a negative out look on the situation and have reported because of this.

Now the other thing I want to mention is the fact that there has been a recent report in which you were banned for a robbery with poor RP, and I feel like because of your dislike and the outcome of that report, this is why it has been posted.

Evidence to back the claims of this is:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1092531208258334770/1107366688103604275/image.png

 

[Pluto_]

Hi there, I was the other person involved in this robbery. Like steve said, Robberies to me are meant to be efficient and due to the time and location that this robbery took place there was a high chance for others to see, and could have had massive backlash for us. Now we did not scream at you and chase you down the street ramming into your car, you were in a location on your own and we gave you a set of instructions, which you followed, and then we left. We did not repeatedly tell you the same thing and the instructions that you were given were clear/slow and precise, your character followed them, and gave us no reason to cause harm/pressure yourself into dropping the items that you had. We took no further action after the robbery and left you alive, in which my opinion is that allows for further roleplay to occur and let the situation expand. Like steve said my character nor his has any reason to take you hostage or kidnap you, and the robbery was done quickly to avoid police attention.

I am also quite disheartened that it has to come to a report on the forums which again I also feel like could have been quite easily spoken over in a discord/ts call, however that is the choice that you have made. Now I asked you in dms if you wanted to liase the situation to which you responded I like you, but not so much steve. Is that the reason for the report? Because you don't like a member of the community? Now whilst rules are rules I feel that this is not the reason it has been posted at all and more so because of your dislike toward steve.

Thank you for taking the time to post the report, I will not be replying any further unless required to by staff.

 

[Stuart]

@Big WezQuestion for you to answer to help the staff member who reviews this report. First off I will say, Honesty is the key here.

What's the motive behind the report? Furthermore why didn't you attempt to reach out in OOC? 

 

[Big Wez]

@Stuart

Hi Stuart the motive behind this report is very simple , it is to help improve the overall roleplay in the server and to set standards. Me and you Stuart have actually spoken about this a few months back where you pulled me Charlie and Pablo to talk about us robbing people in the same way i was robbed earlier. The roleplay was piss poor there was no effort to make the roleplay at all enjoyable for both sides.

now for the reason for me not reaching out in OOC is because I do not believe that their roleplay can be resolved through a simple talk as actions speak much louder than words and I don't see how it would prevent the same thing from happening in the future if we were to just talk.

@Steve Wittenberry@teijin_

The fact I do not particularly like Steve has absolutely nothing to do with the fact the standard of RP was extremely poor if the motive of the report was because I didn't like you Steve why would I of put the report up knowing Laz would receive the same consequences as you if the staff decided so. The motive of the report is nothing other than what I have stated above. I'm sorry if you feel the report is personal but I can assure you it is not.

And to refer to "Firstly I would like to state that whilst this robbery is quick, we are in a public location where people can drive past, including police from a characters perspective it would not make sense for us to wait around in this area" this is a clear example of a win mentality I understand that you would like to get away quickly however this should not be the priority over the quality of RP. If you were in a public location maybe you shouldn't of performed a robbery in the first place.

sorry just realising I haven't spoken about what you've said here @Steve Wittenberry "Now the other thing I want to mention is the fact that there has been a recent report in which you were banned for a robbery with poor RP, and I feel like because of your dislike and the outcome of that report, this is why it has been posted." there isn't any dislike on my side to the outcome of the report against me if anything the report against me which clearly you knew about should of made you more aware of the fact that you cannot just hands up take their stuff and leave without providing some sort of roleplay this report has only been put up a few hours later as I had to go out for a few hours when I got back is when I put the report up. Like I have already stated there is no dislike from the decision that the staff made to ban me I completely see where they are coming from I slipped up and ill make sure it will not happen again I should of known better especially as I had already been previously warned by Stuart and made aware that RP is the priority. I actually think its a bit silly you have tried to use that as an attempt to deflect your actions.  

if any of you have any more questions I am happy to answer them. 

 

[Liam]

Hi @Big Wez

Is this report, and the replies your own words?

 

[Big Wez]

@Liam

Yes the report itself and my reply are entirely my words written by myself I'm just a bit confused to why your even asking this ?

 

[Liam]

Do you usually stream reports against a gang that is warring a gang you’re not a part of?

Im trying to determine whether or not this is a revenge report. See,

You get banned by a 229 members report for robbing.

You tell a 229 member that you don’t like Steve (229).

You report 229 less than 2 hours later from when you get banned, streaming the report and replies to Marabunta. Which I’m not sure why, as you’re not a part of Marabunta and afaik Marabunta weren’t on scene at the robbery, so I’m trying to understand what insight that they would have that they could give you

 

[Liam]

It kind of leads to my suspicion that this is in fact a revenge report, due to since the replies above. There has been a few 229, and a few "random" being removed from Marabunta Discord and de-ranked so that they are unable to see stuff...

I'll wait for your reply @Big Wezbefore handing this report, back over to @Stuart

 

[Big Wez]

hi @Liam

to respond to your concerns yes I did stream me responding to replies of Steve and Laz But I'm still yet to understand why You think that my reply wasn't my own words and how that would have any relevance or influence to the outcome of this report. I can assure you that everything written on this report is my input no one else's , I was simply streaming for the purpose of them being able to proof read it for me and maybe correct my grammar as it isn't the greatest. I don't think it is unheard of for ex members to still be friends with people inside of their ex gang hence why I'm often in the discord playing games with them other than fivem and why I was in their discord streaming in the first place.

Whilst I'm on the topic of using my own words , I have been made aware by to 2 people who I wont share names of that a 229 member has joined the marabunta discord call and openly admitted that Steve's response was written by kc I have no proof that he wrote Steve's reply as do you with me not writing mine but I thought that id mention it anyway.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482327457102299146/1108061059320918156/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482327457102299146/1108061317073481878/image.png

I've further spoke to these people and they have confirmed it was just Steve's reply and not Laz's.

Now if we are going to talk about your accusation of a revenge report I don't think that it is unfair to say that your more than definitely biased in this report considering you are a member of 229 yourself and it would make perfect sense for you to attempt to defend your fellow members and it isn't just me who thinks this someone who I have no idea who they are privately messaged me this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482327457102299146/1108061732515094529/image.png  

you said here "You report 229 less than 2 hours later from when you get banned" I have already clearly stated above that not long after the robbery happened I needed to log out of the server to go out and that I typed the report up after getting back home to my PC , It was shear coincidence that I was banned a couple hours after the robbery and that I was out of the house at the time unable to type up my report before I was banned , I'm sure there will be a log of me logging off the server a couple hours before my ban. To further elaborate on my ban I did not try to dispute my ban because I knew that I had broken the poor RP and common sense rule and you should of been able to guess that when I said this "Me and you Stuart have actually spoken about this a few months back where you pulled me Charlie and Pablo to talk about us robbing people in the same way I was robbed earlier." in fact I'm sure you were there also Liam so you should know what I am referring to 

"You tell a 229 member that you don’t like Steve (229)." Again like I have already said my disliking to Steve has zero influence on why I reported this in the first place. Yes I did openly tell Laz that I don't like Steve if this really was a revenge report why on earth would I of said that knowing it would be used against me as it now, I openly said it because it is true I don't really know what else to say about that situation to be honest because no matter how I try to explain that you will probably still view it the same.

"It kind of leads to my suspicion that this is in fact a revenge report, due to since the replies above. There has been a few 229, and a few "random" being removed from Marabunta Discord and de-ranked so that they are unable to see stuff..." Now this I have absolutely no control over nor have I influenced someone with the roles to do this but its again probably because of your biasedness that you didn't think of the possibility that because these 2 gangs are at war that there might be some toxicity in their discords about each other especially as Mara are currently putting up a lot better of a fight than 229 expected.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482327457102299146/1108063254187618404/image.png

once again I'm happy to answer any more questions you may ask me. 

 

[Liam]

hi @Liam

to respond to your concerns yes I did stream me responding to replies of Steve and Laz But I'm still yet to understand why You think that my reply wasn't my own words and how that would have any relevance or influence to the outcome of this report. I can assure you that everything written on this report is my input no one else's , I was simply streaming for the purpose of them being able to proof read it for me and maybe correct my grammar as it isn't the greatest. I don't think it is unheard of for ex members to still be friends with people inside of their ex gang hence why I'm often in the discord playing games with them other than fivem and why I was in their discord streaming in the first place.

Whilst I'm on the topic of using my own words , I have been made aware by to 2 people who I wont share names of that a 229 member has joined the marabunta discord call and openly admitted that Steve's response was written by kc I have no proof that he wrote Steve's reply as do you with me not writing mine but I thought that id mention it anyway.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482327457102299146/1108061059320918156/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482327457102299146/1108061317073481878/image.png

I've further spoke to these people and they have confirmed it was just Steve's reply and not Laz's.

Thanks for this information.

Now if we are going to talk about your accusation of a revenge report I don't think that it is unfair to say that your more than definitely biased in this report considering you are a member of 229 yourself and it would make perfect sense for you to attempt to defend your fellow members and it isn't just me who thinks this someone who I have no idea who they are privately messaged me this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482327457102299146/1108061732515094529/image.png  

Believe it or not, I've not been a member of 229 since 24/03/2023, 18:43:46 and as I stated in my previous reply, I will be handing the report back over to Stuart.

I wont go into any further as to why I called this out to be a potential Revenge Report. I have everything that I needed from this report and then some, and I'll be waiting for @Stuartto continue.

Have a nice day.

 

[Stuart]

@Big WezDo you have a longer video for this interaction i.e Prior to a gun being pointed at yourself?

it is unfair to say that your more than definitely biased in this report considering you are a member of 229 yourself and it would make perfect sense for you to attempt to defend your fellow members

What I will say to this overall, If you have concerns in relation to staff members then you are welcome to come to the Staff Leads, However what Liam has asked here is correct, Since knowing the full context and us needing to ask you if you wrote this report indicates we know more about this no?

Since we wish to get it all out in the open, Why we're you streaming the response to this report? Help us understand this please.

 

[Big Wez]

@Stuart

unfortunately I do not have a clip that records prior to the guns being pointed my clips are only 5 minuets long and it must of been almost exactly 5 minuets after when I clipped it but there is literally no context prior I had literally just loaded back into the server checked the status on my bike that had been impounded I walked out of the gates and that is pretty much where the clip starts (I'm sure there must be a log of me logging out and logging straight back in)

However I do have footage after the robbery if that would help?

To refer to "Since we wish to get it all out in the open, Why we're you streaming the response to this report? Help us understand this please." I don't really have a reason to why I was streaming the reply the to the report, I didn't stream the initial report itself only the reply and the only reason I can give for me doing this is as I've stated previously "I was simply streaming for the purpose of them being able to proof read it for me and maybe correct my grammar as it isn't the greatest." there is no other reason really other than i am friends with marabunta in and out of the server. 

I do somewhat understand your concern about me streaming my reply but not fully because I don't see how it is relevant to the report, If its possible could you maybe share the reasoning for the concern? To help me better understand.

 To clear this up "What I will say to this overall, If you have concerns in relation to staff members then you are welcome to come to the Staff Leads" I do not have any concerns about Liam I just didn't think he would be the best staff member to handle this report and I do not mean that with any disrespect.

 

[Stuart]

unfortunately I do not have a clip that records prior to the guns being pointed my clips are only 5 minuets long and it must of been almost exactly 5 minuets after when I clipped it but there is literally no context prior I had literally just loaded back into the server checked the status on my bike that had been impounded I walked out of the gates and that is pretty much where the clip starts (I'm sure there must be a log of me logging out and logging straight back in)

Whilst you say there isn't any context from an outsider party looking in I would need to see that via the video itself. 

You are aware grammar isn't something we are looking for in reports, However a better understanding of the situation as a whole and indeed video of said situation for us to get the context and in turn make the determination on that situation in question. 

Now if there isn't any concern the the comment you made about Liam is unjust and I will say he was being very fair in what he was asking yourself based on what we know as a collective. Same as myself we would need the context of the situation, However as Liam mentioned this does seem more a revenge report. 

Why I believe this to be the case here is a few reasons, One is due to the relation to streaming the report and from what one would gather is to try and make the claims more credible but that's not the main point. You've mentioned the following; 

The fact I do not particularly like Steve has absolutely nothing to do with the fact the standard of RP was extremely poor if the motive of the report was because I didn't like you Steve why would I of put the report up knowing Laz would receive the same consequences as you if the staff decided so.

Now this is something you have stated also, Then a report goes up with no context and shorter than how long the full interaction was, Putting both together doesn't scream out "I'm making the report because I want to benefit the community and I believe a rule was broken" Over, I dislike you so I'll edit or provide a smaller clip to fit the narrative. 

Overall there is things missing from this situation that doesn't show the full context. One thing I will say is might not be the best sitting in the call you we're in during your own clip if you are in roleplay yourself as who knows if anyone was streaming and may use that in RP themselves, Just some food for thought.

With that being said I will be going ahead and denying the report due to the reasons stated above. I hope you all have a wonderful evening! 

Denied.

 

[Stuart]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.