Report a player - 229 - GTA RP

[Robin A]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Robin Ankara

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 229

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 05/10/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1700

What best describes this incident ?: Baiting, Metagaming, Poor RP

Please (in detail) describe the incident: Before I get into the report I would like to state a few things, I am not reporting all of 229 nor do I think that all of them Metagamed, all it takes is one person to use OOC information for everyone to have their roleplay influenced. Secondly, this is the opinion of all Marabunta, we have all taken a decent amount of time out of our day to look at the situation and after an unsatisfactory liaison we believe that rules were broken, we could obviously be wrong and hope to be as no one wants to be banned nor do I like spending my time typing up a report.

For context, 229 have been selling on our turf, mainly ex-mara members such as Steve and Laz, none of them pay tax when asked, the common phrase used by them is "229 don't pay tax, I'm not leaving you ain't doing shit." For a while we have let them do their own thing and ignored them but today 229 attempted to tax dodge twice, in the morning I went up to Steve and asked for tax, he said the usual, so I went to get my shotgun and stick him up but by the time I had returned he was gone. Later the same day, Laz also did the same thing, however this time he wasn't so lucky and I managed to successfully zip-tie him, see clip below:

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/18HLy0IsOeH-Gz/d1337FEzMgvQ?invite=cr-MSxMWEwsOTI0NjE2NjMs

This is where the rule G1.3 is seen, 229 have been trying to fight us for a while now and just haven't had a good reason to do so, by selling on turf they are practically baiting us to do something as what gang wouldn't do something when disrespected and considering we are extremely lenient with 229 due to their strength on the server it leaves us in a shit position. Originally, we weren't entirely sure it was baiting but upon looking at this report https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/146215-report-a-player-robz-ballas-gta-rp/ it becomes clear that this is in fact the case.

(G1.3) Baiting - Taking deliberate actions to create a scenario where you get chased or engaged with, especially to cause a firefight. Examples: Robbing a service station with the intent of a gunfight, deliberately committing crimes in front of the police, swearing at a group of gang members.

After Laz gets put in a car we take him up to an undisclosed location where we know 229 wouldn't find us, almost as soon as we reach the top of the mountain I hear on radio that 229 are on turf looking for Laz, keep in mind that its only been about 3 minutes since we initially grabbed him so its very suspicious how they are aware so quickly that he is gone. In the middle of interrogating Laz I receive a phone call from Gibbo asking where he is, see clip below:

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/18HPRp-zsJk6So/d1337uSXWvwP?invite=cr-MSxVQTgsOTI0NjE2NjMs

After finishing the phone call we talk to Laz some more, a bit back and fourth, we end up shooting him and killing him off from Mara, see clip below for a portion of the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL9AigQRUAE&ab_channel=Cameron

Regarding the NVL with Laz, I spoke to him in Queen Elizabeth and we sorted it so I won't be reporting him for that today.

Now lets talk about why all of Marabunta believe this to be Metagamed and I'm sure staff can check the logs for more specific times. To begin, I ask Laz for tax at around 17:02 (times may be more or less by a few minutes), I get my BF-400 from civilian impound, grab my sawn-off from my house and stick Laz up which takes us to about 17:08, we then take him to the mountain and reach there at 17:12 sending Omizz a gps and finally I receive a phone call from Gibbo at 17:15 see images below:

Omizz - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076891561062846596/1105929414585352202/image.png (HIS TIMEZONE IS 1 HOUR AHEAD)
Gibbo Phone call - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076891561062846596/1105996541912682556/image.png

When in liaison 229 stated that Laz sent messages in a group chat saying he had "ego'd" mara after being asked for tax, I have yet to see this message yet so I'm sure he can add screenshots of this, we asked for more proof that he was in fact on turf and we received these extremely conveniently timed messages from Baz, see the images below:

229 BAZ #1 - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076891561062846596/1105929198092169216/image.png
229 BAZ #2 - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076891561062846596/1105929219285975231/image.png

In the first screenshot it seems as he attempts to call Laz almost immediately after we grab him, stating in the group chat "his phones not on."
Why does he ask if Laz is selling at Mara mere moments after we take him?
Why does he ask for a .50 ASAP?
Why automatically assume Marabunta have done something considering we have let it slide several times before?

With all the evidence provided and the massive coincidences that has occurred today I believe that Metagaming took place.

Moving onto the Poor RP provided by 229. After they we dumped Laz we all assume the worst so the majority of us put all of our shit away and stand outside shop waiting for 229 to arrive and have a "chat" with us, I was genuinely interested in how they might pin the blame on us, it comes off as a bunch of waffle followed by a hail of bullets at anyone in blue followed by a swift dump under a bridge with no rp follow-up. I don't honestly think this was RDM but the quality of RP was very poor, we've warred many other gangs before and have had great situations come out of them, such as the hustler war back in late 2022, it was extremely fun as a lot of the time they would stick us up, take us somewhere then mess about with us and possibly even let us live. It's a roleplay server at the end of the day and we're all here to have fun, however tonight I received some of the most awful RP I've ever received on the server and I think some other Mara members would agree. I would like to add that I was grabbed my 229 again around 40 mins after where myself and Paddy spoke to KC for a bit and I really enjoyed the roleplay that was provided there even though I was still shot in the end it didn't matter to me as it was enjoyable.

Appreciate staff reading this.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/18HLy0IsOeH-Gz/d1337C781viS?invite=cr-MSw4WlQsOTI0NjE2NjMs



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Steve Wittenberry]

Hello all reading this report,

Not to sure if this was meant to be a targeted response towards me so ill only comment on the parts I was included into.
Since when I had joined Marabunta going over a year ago I had always been told EX Marabunta are tax free and could cut coke for free, since then I had always beloved this to be acceptable for myself as I had left the gang on good terms and made no issues. I was never aware of this now being the case and when I got taxed I always stated that ex mara do not pay tax. I never came across hostile towards marabunta since I had left either so I thought there was nothing bad between me or the members. Also to mention I still live in the area of the turf. Something simple as they are not doing ex mara permissions/ access to certain things would of been fine and I would have left but I never had received anything of the sorts.


But sadly it had come to this, as well as I never got called to discord to talk about it myself as I would of come along and spoke. Thanks for taking time to read this response as for the other parts of the report it would be easier to make another reply if needed as this was just a solo response for the baiting claim I think I was included into

 

[Baz]

Hello mate, disappointed to see this after our discord call but I’ll explain exactly what I said earlier as well. 
 

“Why does he ask if Laz is selling at Mara mere moments after we take him? “ I was in a taxi while Laz was selling at mara turf and within radio distance majority of the time, where Laz mentioned he was asked to pay tax with Mara and my reply was to be careful telling gangs no when asked to pay tax. I wouldn’t even say MINUTES later he stops replying all together. Would this not cause concern for you? Precisely why I asked because I couldn’t tell if I was out of radio range. 

“Why does he ask for a .50 ASAP?” The reason I asked asap was because the point in me even getting in a taxi in the first place was to buy a 50 cal, it had nothing to do with you whatsoever so I really don’t understand why this has been mentioned?

“Why automatically assume Marabunta have done something considering we have let it slide several times before?” Why would I not assume that mara have done something, minutes after speaking to Laz about him being taxed at your turf he’s not longer responding on radio? Last known location by the way MARA. When we approached Mara the reply we got was “We don’t know a Laz” Myself and Ron also rang terry told him to find out if anything’s happened and to call us back, which he never did. With all of this, isn’t it only right we assume that it was infact marabunta? Not to mention after he had stopped replying, the boys chevked every single dodgy and on their way from paleto saw a dark blue issi on train tracks but had lost it before they could ID it.

Final note from me to try and cover everything, you act like everything was so instant. We spent a good while searching for Laz, Mara turf dodgies and dumping locations all checked and we gave you plenty of time over the phone before we all came down to mara turf. Even if you guys didn’t take Laz, surely considering you’d of seen him get taken? Because when we approached your turf there was a fair few of you stood outside the shop and to be met with the reply “we don’t know a laz” is that not a tad suspicious? He spent a good chunk of time in marabunta. You’re acting like it’s all in a 5 minute time frame when this is far from the truth.


 

 

[KCAJ]

Right I just want to add that I was the person searching the dodgy doctors for "laz", I knew in RP along with baz that laz was at mara turf selling as he had previously asked for help due to being chased by the police, I went over and he stated that he was okay and he was going to return to marabunta to sell. Whilst there I saw other members of marabunta selling at the same time.

A few minutes later baz tells us over the radio that "laz is trying to be taxed" and reminded laz to be careful if he was going to say "no".

Baz, then stated that laz's phone was no longer "switched on" and that he couldn't hear him on radio and that he was no longer responding, I made the call to go to marabunta turf and ask around to see if anyone knew of what happened to laz, there could have been lots of different possibilities.

- Fell of his bike and was taken to hospital.
- Someone came to the turf and took laz away (Robbery)
-Marabunta have done something - Because of the interaction that they have had and due to the fact that laz was a previous member of marabunta.

Now when we came to the turf a few marabunta stated that they didn't know laz and that they didn't know where he was. Now like I stated in the liaison if something like he fell of his bike and went to hospital, or if someone else had come to the turf and took him, it would have obviously been seen by Marabunta due to the people that I had previously seen selling there, and this information would have been offered up as a reason to why Laz was no longer answering his phone or responding on the radio. Instead we were told that you guys didn't know laz.

From there I made the decision that people should go and check the dodgy doctors around the city to see if anyone had taken laz, or if we could find him.

I personally checked redwood lights, and I believe that steve and one other checked the dodgy doctor down at the docks. Kina was headed to grapeseed, where I met up with him after he had checked and yet again found nothing. Kina, Rock and Myself then headed up to paleto, and found nothing at the paleto dodgy doctor. 

We then headed back down the highway towards where the rest of the boys were meeting as we planned to come back to your guys turf with a little bit more agression to see if we could find out what actually had happened to laz. Whilst doing so kina saw a blue Mini/Issi on the train-tracks just below a well known "dumping spot" which is the rock pools just outside paleto. We then searched the area for around 20-25 minutes, and did not find laz.

Overall numerous things lead to the suspicion that marabunta had done something to laz,

He is an ex member of marabunta and obviously leaving a gang for whatever reason, will always leave doubt in the gang that he knows "too much" and that he was a risk to that organisation.

He was selling on MARABUNTA turf at the time that he stopped responding on radio, and was no longer answering his phone.

He was asked for tax, and from what I have gathered "ex" marabunta do not have to pay tax whilst selling on marabunta turf, obviously suspicious as this is something out of the ordinary.

Now this lead 229 to have a suspicion that marabunta had done something to laz and whilst we came to find out more information, the RP that we received was brickwall "we don't know what has happened" which is fine.

But when a gang has lost one of their members and suspects someone of doing something, answers like that are only going to raise tensions especially when previous events that have occurred point in that direction.


Now let me go over some of the points that you have made. 

This is where the rule G1.3 is seen, 229 have been trying to fight us for a while now and just haven't had a good reason to do so, by selling on turf they are practically baiting us to do something as what gang wouldn't do something when disrespected and considering we are extremely lenient with 229 due to their strength on the server it leaves us in a shit position. Originally, we weren't entirely sure it was baiting but upon looking at this report.

You state that 229 want to fight you for a while, but in the grand scheme of things in RP marabunta have no relevance to 229 and fighting them provides little benefit to us in RP its merely a waste of time, your turf is not next to ours you're not our "neighbours" in RP, and the tension between both gangs is over disputes that have happened previously. Now you state that we are baiting for this because of people selling on your turf, which as you have stated is mainly EX marabunta, as far as I was concerned they were not paying tax due to them being EX marabunta and that is the reasons that they have refused, nothing to do with wanting to fight you. We have a lot of different RP with other groups and gangs that would be greatly affected by entering a "war" with someone else, which is not something I am looking to do and neither are any of the members.

After Laz gets put in a car we take him up to an undisclosed location where we know 229 wouldn't find us, almost as soon as we reach the top of the mountain I hear on radio that 229 are on turf looking for Laz, keep in mind that its only been about 3 minutes since we initially grabbed him so its very suspicious how they are aware so quickly that he is gone. In the middle of interrogating Laz I receive a phone call from Gibbo asking where he is, see clip below:

This is the next logical step to take in RP, a gang member that was last known selling on marabunta turf after being asked for tax by some of your members, is no longer responding on radio to baz, or answering his phone. Now the reasons that you are accusing for metagaming from what I can see is the timings? That we were there so soon afterwards? Baz was on radio to laz and conversating with him and knew that marabunta had asked him for tax, of course this is going to heighten wanting to know the whereabouts of laz and make sure that he is okay? As ANY gang member would do. 

Now like I said in the liason the reason that we came to marabunta turf to ask where he was is the fact that he was on your turf last or at least that's the last thing that we knew, now I am not going to send the gang to triads and ask for him am I?

The reason that you received a call from Gibbo is that I asked the members to contact several marabunta members and ask where Laz was and if they knew anything, this was at the same time that your members were telling us that you didn't know who laz was you stated in the liaison that these members were "hangarounds" but that was not made clear to us in RP and was acted on. Gibbo on the phone call is asking if you knew the whereabouts of laz, and when you stated that you were going to the island he asked if you were lying, as we were growing suspicious that it was in-fact marabunta that had done something to laz. There was also another phone call that took place between Ron and "terry" from marabunta and he was given "20 minutes" to try and find out what had happened or find laz, now during this time we recieved no phone call back from terry.

Do you not find it strange that a gang laz was previously a part of is denying ever knowing the man? combined with the fact that he has gone missing, and the last known location was on marabunta turf? I am sure if this was the other way around that you would suspect that 229 had done something. Which is the reason we are calling and asking what has happened to him. Again this happened quickly, because our main priority was to find him before he was either killed/robbed/butchered/burnt and all the rest of it, no leader is going to sit back and allow that to happen, it was quite literally a race against time.

You have used a report in which the incidents are limited to a few occasions from what I know Steve/laz and a few other 229 members have sold at marabunta turf for a long time, as its a good selling area and makes some good money. Now this is nothing "new" and in my opinion does not constitute the baiting rule at all, as previously stated the reason that they have refused to pay is because they are ex-members. Comparing this situation to the report that you have linked, in the report that you have linked its between Ballas and Azteca's who have recently come out of a war, and the tensions are clearly high between both gangs and in reality neither one of them would be selling on their turfs, to which would intentionally cause an issue because of previous RP and potentially spark something bigger. As far as I am aware 229 and marabunta whilst are not the closest of gangs but have not had any issues for quite a while.

Now I am going to move on and talk about "baz"

Baz was in a taxi and around the marabunta area talking with laz over the radio when he was told over the radio that marabunta had tried to tax him, he then continues having a conversation, a few minutes later laz stops responding on the radio and any attempt to contact him through his mobile was not working. Including the image that you have provided asking him if he is still selling at marabunta turf, as this was part of their conversation that they have had over the radio.

Now any gang member is wanting to look after other members of the gang and ensure that they are okay, and that nothing has happened to them, the reason that he is posting in the group chat is to make other members of 229 aware of the situation and that we might have to go out and search for laz. The reason that he asked for a .50 is that he was in a taxi, making the money to purchase one as he has already stated, separate to the incident completely, from my knowledge Baz has an array of guns that he can access all around the city, and didn't directly need the .50 to do anything to marabunta as he could have accessed any one of his guns at any time.

In regard to assuming why marabunta have done something immediately when they have let it slide before Is that whilst this has happened before we have never lost radio contact or phone contact with a member that is selling on marabunta turf, the same way that if this happened at Triads, Hustlers, Aztecas, Ballas the same conversations would have been had with anyone of their members or assumed that maybe they have done something. Which when we came to have the conversation as I stated in the liason no reasoning was given for why Laz was not talking over the radio or answering his phone, which if he was taken by someone else, or downed would have been something brought up and shared in conversation to avoid a spotlight on marabunta. Instead the responses that we got where that you didn't know who he was, you were "heading to the island" and terry stated that he had "just woken up", which all lead us to the conclusion that you're dodging the question and attempting to hide something.

Summary :

All the events that you have listed that you are accusing us of metagaming I have given you an accurate detail for, I have talked over the reasons why I feel this particular situation is not baiting, now I am not in anyway condoning going to someones turf and saying that you're not paying tax, however I have highlighted that they are ex-mara members and as far as they were concerned did not pay tax and to me in this case is not "baiting" for a reaction.

As stated previously us fighting marabunta provides very little benefit and something I nor other members have interest pursuing in RP unless, the only reason that this would occur is if it was aggravated by an event such as this. 

The events that took place were naturally progressed in RP and I can assure you that even if you guys didn't take laz, that the same RP storyline would have continued if the RP was presented in the same way. The events leading up to the shootout all added suspicion that marabunta had done something to laz, the initial asking him for some tax whilst selling, the fact that is no longer responding so soon after being asked, the fact that when we come to your turf you offer up no explanation as to where he has gone or what has happened, the fact that whilst we are searching we spot a mini cooper (Blue) driving around the hills miles away from marabunta turf and in a location that is remote enough to "hide a body", the phone calls that we have had with your members stating different things, and the fact that people were saying "they didn't know laz" put us on edge.

Time frames - A missing gang member is something that we in RP are going to act fast on, even if this turns out to be that he's fallen of his bike and gone to hospital, we needed to gather information quickly in order to find him, as the worst outcome is that he is going to be killed, which again no leader is going to sit back and let it happen, when he has the resources and man power to avoid it.

In conclusion I feel that your report has no real sufficient evidence and that's mainly down to the fact that no metagaming occurred. The conclusion marabunta had done something to laz in game, again like I said in the liaison we are not the police or the courts and we do not work from "evidence" if we as a gang have a suspicion that marabunta have done something then we are going to act on it, regardless if it is true or not, that is called role-play.

All the events that lead up to this suspicion happened entirely in game.

Now I have a few questions for you to think over, based of the report that you have made.

If we did what you stated which is metagame the situation, why didn't the following occur.

- Turn up at the location in which you had laz.
- Find laz's body whilst searching for him.

To me this seems obvious that if we were metagaming and taking outside information that these two things would have occured, instead laz respawned due to him not being found, and we have no real basis or "evidence" that you guys took him in game, just the events that I have stated.

Which when you and paddy were kidnapped you both stated that a policy of marabunta, was that you would shoot someone in the head if they were refusing to pay tax.

I thank you for taking the time to post the report and the effort that you have gone to, now I hope you can see I have reciprocated this energy in attempt to give you some peace of mind that the events that happened in game yesterday were purely progression in RP and are the logical steps that any gang member or leader would take to ensure the safety of his members.




 

 

[Mystix]

Your report is currently being reviewed, Please be patient while the evidence is reviewed

Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

 

[Robin A]

Appreciate all your replies, I will be leaving this up to staff. 

 

[Mystix]

Alright so I have looked at the evidence provided as well as information accessible to staff  and have come to the following conclusion.
 

Metagaming: By looking through messages etc I am confident in the fact that 229 did not metagame the information in this case and it was all done above board.
There were appropriate communication in game and the logic applied when coming to the conclusion Marabunta was involved was reasonable.

Baiting: According to information provided through liaison and proccured otherwise there has been some kind of agreement for former members to sell on Marabunta turf without paying tax. Due to this I do not deem his actions as baiting since looking at it from the other side it only seems reasonable to sell there.
Now its obvious that is changing or already is and I would suggest being more careful in the future as it is a thin line to walk.

Poor RP: From the evidence provided I dont see anything which would constitute "poor RP".

Conclusion: From the evidence provided I do not see that any of the rules have been broken although I yet again encourage everyone to be careful and think an extra time.

 

[Mystix]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.