Report a player - 22 - GTA RP

[Bing Bar]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Harry Millar

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 22

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 11/18/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1500

What best describes this incident ?: G1.5 | G4.4

Please (in detail) describe the incident: An image was posted on Tweedle which showed Ballas looking over multiple injured Grove members. As shown in the video below, we quickly assemble a convoy in the hopes to detain them all. Unfortunately on arrival, it seems Ballas were looking to pack up and leave and so there were only the stragglers left. ID 22 was singled out, as they had a firearm in their hand. The individual jumped down from the catwalk in front of myself and was subsequently tased and cuffed - not a single shot was fired by anyone. I understand that there is a bug with tasers which means sometimes when they are tasered, they are immediately injured/downed, despite this I would be grateful if staff could check if ID 22 /die'ed after being tasered.

We detained the Ballas member and saved the injured Grove members who were left behind in a local vehicle by Ballas, and so made our way to pillbox. Not a word or /me was provided by the Ballas member. Upon arriving at pillbox, ID 22 refused to check in stating that 'he didn't have to' despite the only form of RP injury was him being tasered. After this, I contacted NHS/Fire to try and salvage any sort of remaining RP there was left, perhaps they would be more willing to open up to someone who was not part of the original scenario. Whilst waiting for the NHS/Fire member, an officer moved the individual to the medbay. Unfortunately, the idea of hoping the individual to open up/RP with the NHS/Fire member did not go to plan, as not a single ounce of RP was provided via that entire interaction with the NHS/Fire member whether that be /me's or verbal communication. The NHS member helped him to his feet, and made our way down to MRPS. Whilst in custody, again nothing was said from the individual.

I believe this to be powergaming because it was quite clear that he did not want to check in to hospital, despite not receiving life threatening injuries and therefore would have avoided potential jail time. Furthermore, no attempt was made to roleplay his injuries which was further emphasised in the brief moment they spoke to me (1:15) where they did not sound injured at all.

In summary, they had no intention of speaking with anyone and just wanted to die, which is not something I would expect from a whitelisted group.

https://youtu.be/7QdTLbUBtc4

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://youtu.be/8dQEKB4ePWU



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Yevz]

Hi Harry I'm a bit disappointed to why you have come to the forums before asking for a liason which I am more then happy to do but I will explain my actions. Firstly when I was tased I had no reason to /die as it contributes to no rp or helps myself as if I didn't die there I could have had an opportunity to get up maybe even jump in one of my fellow members cars or even have one of them drag me in. Now onto your second point of me power gaming I do not have to check in when down I could have explained this to u in QE as a staff ticket was opened on this very subject https://imgur.com/a/1ZSRlQz. Now admittedly my medical rp could have been better and I hold my hands up to not acting my injuries at 1:15 but I'm just a bit tired of feds constantly trying to get you to check in when my avenue of rp could of been me wanting to die and I was frustrated that I had gone down to a bug obviously that's no excuse but it did not help and I promise to make sure that in the future I RP my injuries to the fullest and not allow frustration to affect my RP. Again if u want to liaise over the situation I am more then happy too.

 

[Bing Bar]

Hiya thank you for your response,

The problem I have with the entire situation throughout. Is that you shouted something along the lines of 'You fucking stupid' when I tasered you and put cuffs on you. When we were inside hospital, you refused to check in. Throughout my entire time from the arrest to being transported to prison which took around 45-55 minutes, you spoke directly to me once just at the checking in area which is shown above. The exception to this was when I was escorting you to collect your goods in which you walked over towards the elevator within seconds of being unescorted to see if it was unlocked and when I asked you to put your hands up in cells to put cuffs on. Furthermore, you verbally interacted with the Grove members who were still collecting their items at pillbox stating something along the lines of 'You guys owe me a marksman.' To me all the things above just shows that you only cared about the win and had no intention to RP with myself, NHS/Fire, any fellow police officers or the G6 member who helped transport you.

I would have got the same quality and quantity of RP from yourself, as someone who had stood up and walked away from their computer for the hour I spent with you. From my end, I come onto the server to interact with people and to RP. Instead, I was left in a scenario where I am having to escort someone around (as you refused to walk or even move besides putting your hands up when I said I was going to cuff you) to then filling out reports/paperwork and sorting out video evidence which is extremely boring.

Now admittedly my medical rp could have been better and I hold my hands up to not acting my injuries at 1:15 but I'm just a bit tired of feds constantly trying to get you to check in when my avenue of rp could of been me wanting to die

So I have two problems here. The first being in RP, you did not sustain life threatening injuries (you were tasered) of which yes I fully understand the taser bugged out and therefore you were injured. However, you did not signal to myself or other officers/NHS the extent of your injuries or even attempt to RP what injuries you had from the taser. Frankly from my side, it seemed that by not checking in you were taking advantage of the fact that you had been injured by a bug (as typically tasering someone does not put them in a downed state). 

The next problem, is that the way you have worded it makes it seems that you want your avenue of RP with police being if you were to be injured at all, it is to always result in dying. For an RP orientated community, to cut the RP short for police/yourself and to avoid what would be the in RP repercussions to me seems like you are going for the win and not the RP. 

I will await to see what staff say in response to the above.
 

 

[Yevz]

I don't have anything further too add other than the fact I wasn't taking advantage of anything, I just didn't RP my injuries. Which I have already said I will make sure I do in the future to my fullest. I will leave the decision to staff.

 

[Scott]

Hello @Bing Bar

Can you provide an unedited recording of the rulebreaks @Bing Bar?

 

but I'm just a bit tired of feds constantly trying to get you to check in when my avenue of rp could of been me wanting to die

Can I get some clarification here @2Tappy, was it your intention to die from being tasered? 

 

[Yevz]

Hi Scott, to answer your question no I wasn't planning on dying I just wasn't going to check in at that very minute as I am sick and tired of police just sitting there doing all they can, to force you into checking in when you do not have to. But after saying no he then moved me inside and got NHS to then help, which I obviously am not going to blame him for moving me as he cant read minds so he isn't to know that I was going to check in.

 

[Bing Bar]

Hi @Scott

Here is an unedited version from the first point of contact up until the paramedic helps him up on his feet. After reviewing the footage, I would like to correct the fact that ID 22 does briefly say something to me after detaining him.

 

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[Scott]

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[Scott]

Hello all, I'd like to start with my apologies for not handling this sooner. Life got in the way and I had to consult a few staff members regarding their opinions.

I'll cover G1.5 and G4.4 separately

Powergaming; @Bing Barfelt it was powergaming to refuse to check in to Pillbox. I can confirm this is absolutely not the case in this situation. @2Tappywas tased and injured, most likely due to trying to slip cuffs, immediatly put into a car, driven to Pillbox and expected to check with a grand total of 0 roleplay to help his injuries. Just providing the bare minimum roleplay and expecting him to check in, and if he doesn't it's powergaming, is not true. You didn't even attempt to help him yourself, call any medically trained officers or contact NHS until way later as seen in the video. 

IF he had recieved ample medical roleplay, and then refused to check in, I could understand your point however in this context, there is no rule break here.

Failure to roleplay injuries; I think we can both agree that he either went down due to 1. The Taser or 2. He attempted to slip cuffs and injured himself in the process. Either one is minor so I wouldn't expect him to be groaning and tossing & turning in pain so vocally, I'd argue he hasn't breached this rule in this regard. However, what should have happened to give the chance to roleplay to begin was @2Tappyusing /MEs to deepen the roleplay and give the opportunity to be roleplayed with. This was where his failing was and lies, but as seen above, he did apologise and said he'd do better. Let's hold him to that shall we?

I think both sides could've made an attempt to strengthen each-others medical roleplay & overall roleplay, but both sides didn't make that attempt. Due to this, I'm going to rule with no rule break. This could've and should've been much better from either side. If @Bing Bar had attempted to roleplay with him, and he then didn't roleplay, I could understand but I digress. 

If I was @2Tappy in this situation, after being tased with a gun in my hand with no other reason to be tased. I can completely understand and agree with his actions. However I would've done my best to crack on with the roleplay as best I could instead of providing the bare minimum, even if the other side wasn't great either. Be the change you want to see, don't contribute to the problem.

@Bing Bar- Be better, you cannot expect people to check in after providing 0 roleplay. We are a roleplay community, at least make the effort. 

@2Tappy- Be better, use /mes to give the opportunity for the other parties involved to roleplay with you regarding your injuries, however minor or major they might've been. 



Now, onto something that I picked up within your recording @Bing Bar

You go around asking the AFOs at the situation if they shouted "Armed Police, put your hands up" or some other form of roleplay. This to me, seems like you're breaking character and referencing the RDM rule to see if other officers on scene provided high quality roleplay before you tased him. Now, this isn't concrete proof of anything and you could've asked for another reason so I won't action this, however be warned, if you were going around essentially asking if you RDMed someone. Next time do so through OOC means, not IC. Focus on the roleplay and deal with rule-breaks later.

Action Taken - Report Declined

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[Scott]

Thank you for your report, Unfortunately, it has been declined

The staff member will advise shortly why on this occasion they have declined to take action against the reported player.

Please do not let this put you off making further reports in the future, We rely on our player base to help keep our community clean.