Report a player - 206 and 427 - GTA RP

[Bren104]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: Buffington Egan

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: 206 and 427

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 07/09/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1955

What best describes this incident ?: RDM (G1.2) and VDM (G1.1)

Please (in detail) describe the incident: This is a report on these two specific people as I can see that these were in the car at the time but I believe there to be more involved. Their session IDs are included below at No. 7. 206 is Cameron Garcia I believe and I am unsure as to who 427 is. I will begin by giving context as to why there was a police presence at Pillbox Hospital before moving onto the video exhibits I have attached. I will refer to the video titles throughout for ease of reference.

This evening, in response to multiple people fighting and shooting each other along with the general chaos that occurs at Pillbox daily, Police initiated a S60 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 at Pillbox. This means there was a squad of PSU at the hospital carrying out Stop and Searches in an attempt to reduce the level of violence there. Earlier on in the evening, the squad of PSU who were deployed to Pillbox got into a gunfight with an OCG however after everyone was recovered and all detainees were dealt with, we headed back to the hospital and it was at this point that I joined.

While we were there, we S&S a number of people, some complained but generally no hassle up to that point. To the best of my knowledge we seized nothing from anyone apart from one ziptie which the detainee voluntarily gave up. We were there for a period of about 10/15 mins in total. There was a big monster truck that ran one of us over and kept smashing into cars and there were also a few people trying to sprint into the hospital but up to this point, nothing major had occurred. It is at this stage that the first of the videos listed below comes in called "before nice".

In this video, you can see me helping a taxi driver try flip his car over as he was rammed off the road by the monster truck. While I was doing this, police attempted to initiate a S&S on a person. He was cuffed but appeared to have broken out of them and then opened fire on police. He was shot at in return and downed but then another person began to shoot at police. I then shot this person, put him in cuffs and attempted to get him up to the hospital. We had no clue who these people were as there was zero OCG clothing on display by any of these people, only information we could derive was that they had firearms. Chaos began to ensue, officers were getting stabbed, helicopters were landing in the middle of the road. I tried to get the fella I had put in cuffs up to the hospital so that he could get treatment.

The next video is now pertinent titled "nice". It takes over directly after the events of "before nice" and you can see me walking the injured lad up to the hospital. As I am a few feet away from the door, a black Range Rover pulls up and shouts at the injured lad saying "Oi Laz is that you?". The injured lad replies affirming that he was but the driver of the Range Rover must not have heard him because he asked again. He got the same reply but this time heard him. I was then shot by a fully automatic gun and downed. After I was downed, "after nice" listed becomes relevant. While I am lying injured on the ground, I see a copper run out of the hospital door, I tried calling him over to me but as he is turning around, the Black Range Rover comes from what looked like Legion Square, runs the fella over and shoots him leaving the two of us injured. What happened after this was I was put into the back of the Range Rover, brought up the Los Santos Freeway and dumped on the side of the road with my radio, bodycam and phone taken.

A fourth video for consideration is entitled "Pillbox Shooting BWV 09/07/2023" where we see the black Range Rover shoot another copper. Here there is nothing said. This police officer was shot because he was in the area wearing the uniform.

I feel there is a pressing need to highlight these videos and the events that are detailed within because this conduct is unacceptable. This is the type of occurrence that is making playing police a draining and degrading experience. What I've tended to do is play during the afternoon when I can because it is a little better and you get less interactions like the ones seen in the videos. Often people want to talk, engage with you and generally have a positive interaction. I find after the evening restart, all hell breaks lose and a sense of complete impunity comes onto people to think that shooting people like I was shot is alright to do on a server that prides itself on its standard of RP. It' is akin to a mob mentality where people seem to shoot at anything that moves or more specifically, anything wearing a police uniform that moves. I will not be playing in the evening/night anymore because I am sick of it. It's ludicrous to think that I am going to waste anymore of my time waiting to die and respawn all because of an instance like the ones seen in these videos only for it to happen again moments later at the next situation I am responding to. "Oi Laz is that you"x2- "Yes"x2 - emptied the mag into my head and dumped.

While I was in the car with the driver bringing me up the road to be dumped, I overheard him talking on the radio with his buddies and at one point he said "I've just been shooting feds" and he began laughing hysterically. Clearly this was a shooting that brought this character great pride as he appeared to have thoroughly enjoyed what he had just done. The videos seen here highlight both instances of a RDM and an instance of VDM. The RDM was done on myself and on another member of the police as can be seen in the fourth video. The VDM was when a member of the police was ran over and shot at in "after nice". In my instance being the second of the four videos, the only interaction I had with the driver of the Range Rover was that he asked my PIC was he his friend. At no stage was anything said to me or was there even an attempt. No "I'm pointing a gun at you, if you do not release him I will shoot you" - nothing. All four videos speak for themselves and I am left with no choice but to report what occurred because this is going to continue to keep happening as it has been for sometime.

1 - "Before Nice" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjoO0IVi6FY
2 - "Nice" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFsj0xn38
3 - "After Nice" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_bEItDLHRs
4 - "Pillbox Shooting BWV 09/07/2023" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP8JBxlD67A
5 - https://i.imgur.com/FNuFxQ5.jpg
6 - https://i.imgur.com/QJoz4F1.jpg
7. https://i.gyazo.com/86fdede27ab7a7418af47978a14f9d63.png

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://youtu.be/ZjoO0IVi6FY%20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFsj0xn38%20https://youtu.be/D_bEItDLHRs%20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP8JBxlD67A



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Ron]

Hi I am the person that shot you in the video, All of this could've been explained in a liaison but here is my reply.

Firstly I want to explain that in the first clip that you have posted "before nice" that is the leader of my gang that has been arrested and has tried to fight his way out of the situation which has unfortunately lead to him going down. Secondly the person that you are escorting is a member of 229 and has also been shot by the police at the scene.

I am a member of 229.

There was an ongoing situation between 229 members and the police which your videos show, in which as explained previously the leader of 229 had been shot along with members of 229 shooting back at police and the police shooting back at them, clearly proven by the fact you're escorting a downed 229 member.

I want to explain the reason that you were shot is because of the on-going situation between 229 and the police which you have involved yourself with by escorting the downed 229 member, I came along side you and double checked that this person was Laz before doing anything.

The reasons for you being shot are:

- Potentially able to arrest my leader

- Potentially able to arrest my gang member

- Potentially able to hurt MORE 229 members (a few 229 members were already wounded due to the police shooting at them.)

- Potentially able to injure myself.

I fail to see how this is random you are clearly aware that there is an on going situation with police with several people with firearms shooting at them whilst concealing their identities wearing masks.

The people shooting are members of my organisation and the reason being that they are shooting is that the leader of the gang is and has had an altercation with the police which lead to shots being fired, the police then shot at more people in the area whom are also 229 members.

Whilst in the situation that was on going with 229 police then decided to arrest more gang members such as grove for being in the area which lead to them helping out their members (nothing to do with myself).

Like I stated the reasons for me shooting at you are simple 229 were in an active shootout with police which you were involved in, and leads myself in character to shoot you.

You had also shot at members of my gang which you have stated in the above report, information was being given over the radio that police were shooting at my gang members at pillbox, unfortunately you were one of those people. Involving yourself in the situation by shooting at members of 229 and being shot by someone in 229, I fail to see how this is random.

Nothing random at all.

 

[Bren104]

Many thanks for your reply, contents are noted. 

Throughout your response, you are mentioning that there was an on going shootout between 229 and Police. This is false. There was a shootout between Police and random gunmen who happened to be members of 229. There is a stark difference present in what actually occurred and the situation you are describing above. There was nothing to indicate that the two initial people who we attempted to detain were members of your OCG. Police attempted to detain one person who broke out of cuffs and shot at police, he then opened fire at police attempting to detain him - fair enough as we would have seized the firearm he had on his person. The second person, "Laz", who was in the black local SUV then opened fire at police who had get into a shootout with the first lad - bit iffy if you ask me as he was just sitting in the car watching then opened fire after it had occurred with no real way of knowing he was connected to the detainee who broke out of cuffs however, this is not the remit of this report and requires no discussion. The first fella was wearing red pants and a pirate hat and the second fella was wearing a brown/red jacket with blue pants - point is this is clothing not associated with your organisation.

I understand that ye were all wearing abstract clothing so as to not bring attention to your OCG but this changes the ball game entirely. It becomes a shootout with randomly dressed gunman instead of a shootout with an OCG because of this fact - you have concealed your identities. On its own accord, there is nothing wrong with this and is a perfectly valid and often effective means of avoiding detection. 

As previously stated, once this is done it changes the situation entirely. You cannot act as if you are all wearing the same clothing and are as easily identifiable as if you were all wearing 229 jackets with Bay City Crew written on the back whilst driving around in dark green coloured war cars. This is where the random comes from where you state that there is "nothing random at all". The fact that ye have concealed your identities creates this and changes it from an OCG vs Police Shootout to a random people vs police shootout. 

I'd argue that because all of 229 were wearing abstract clothing, this increases the burden of what is required by 229 Members to engage quality roleplay before shooting at police. Stating that 229 were in a shootout with police is incorrect because 229 were not there identifying themselves as 229. Had the first two people involved, the detainee and "Laz" been wearing 229 clothing and you were driving a dark green Range Rover instead of a fully blacked out one, this would be a different story but unfortunately for all involved - that is not what occurred. 

The videos I have included show me carrying a random person up to Pillbox and being shot at by a random Range Rover because the driver of that car knew the person I was carrying to Pillbox. What they do not show as you seem to think they do is me carrying a member of 229 to Pillbox and then being shot at by a 229 car. 

I appreciate the list of excuses as to why you shot me may obviate any liability had you all been wearing 229 clothing or said something like "I'm pointing a gun at you, if you do not release him I will shoot you" as I mentioned before but under the current circumstances, both these were absent and I'd argue the reasons given by yourself fail to get you over the threshold of what is required in G1.2 and furthermore, in "after nice" the VDM of the other officer. I do not accept what you have said as being a valid reason to shoot me without engaging in quality roleplay. As mentioned heretofore, had you been in colours, it would remove the randomness element. As mentioned in the original report, had you ordered me to stop carrying your friend, take him out of cuffs and put him in the car, it would remove the randomness element. You failed on both occasions to engage in quality RP prior to shooting me and therefore an immediate need to place this report arrived. 

 

[Hank Summers]

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[Hank Summers]

Hello @Bren104and @Ron

Lets get into this then...

@RonI'll start with the shooting, let me ask, how are the Police supposed to know who your leader is or who he represents when he is not in OCG colours and instead wearing random clothing? gangs in the city are going 'blacked out' more and more often and expecting people to know who they are, unfortuntly this is not the case. How is @Bren104supposed to know who you are and what OCG you represent? You claim that your leader has been shot and arrested and you had to get him out of there, yet there is nothing tieing that person to 229.

If Police turned up unmarked and out of colours they would also be looking at RDM here.

The fact that you have asked a question to the downed person and got the answer you wanted does not let you open fire on the officer involved, as you were going up the highway to dump the officer you are described as 'laughing hystericaly'. You clearly got enjoyment out of this where as no one else did and that is why quality RP must be given before downing someone, something that is lacking here.

There was no quality to your roleplay nor was there sufficient background to justify your shooting of the officer.

Moving onto running the other officer over with your car, this officer had just come out of the building and wouldn't have known quite what was going on, becuase 229 were unidentifyable there was no way for that officer to know that the dangers were hightened as you were working as a pack and not just random people popping off shots, because of this you'll also be looking at RVDM as again, there is no quality to the roleplay you provided that offcer prior to their downing. The random aspect of this particular interaction comes from the fact that 229 know that their leader is downed and in danger of being arrested and put into prison, but that officer doesn't.

I am also disappointed to see you back here given the fact that you have came off a ban for this exact same rule break just over 10 days ago

As for ID 427 I'm unsure of their involvment and can't take any action.

Looking at the above, the following will be actioned,
 

CharID: 58406
Rule(s) Broken: G1.1 & G1.2
Action: Ban - 7 Days

 

[Hank Summers]

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