RDM UGN Brett & UGN Shivers (Rejected with warning)

[Dissolving]

Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name): UGN Bret & UGN Shivers
 
Time & Date this happened: 1/6/2015 - 8:40 PM
 
Description of what happened:
I was in a chopper with 2 of my gangmates and a few of my other gangmembers were doing frogruns. We heard that someone had trouble at the frog swamps so we decided to take a look with our chopper.  We decided to land next to the ifrit to have a talk with him and ask him what was going on, as soon as we got out of the chopper we got shot immediately without any kind of RP. So i decided to walk to the ifrit and try to have a conversation with the Ifrit driver. [Gc] Zopp got shot and i asked him why they did that and i got shot aswell. This is a roleplaying server and this does NOT belong on this server. We did not hear them at all, on this video i can hear it very lightly when i put the volume up really high, but this doesn't really matter because they already started shooting before that, and attempted RDM. 
After this they killed [Gc] Fcastro, while they were driving off the medics came in and revived Fcastro. They came back to Fcastro, interrupted the roleplay, they Killed Fcastro again + another medic. This is not in the video because i was dead.
 
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?: We asked them to come to our teamspeak but they didn't want to.
  
Please post video evidence/screenshots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHds9GsVAYs&feature=youtu.be

 

[Shivers]

I feel this is a very limited 1 minute view on what actually happened, this was the end of a lengthy robbery, in which we were in the dealing with the NHS and a member of your gang, The attending medic was not killed, he left in his helicopter, and can vouch for that if you need him to.  The second medic that arrived was told too leave and did leave,  Fcastro was not killed a second time, 

You then arrive fully armed with the gang tag clearly visible, which can only be taken as a threat, if you didnt have your sound so low that you couldnt hear the direct chat, you would of heard that you should not of landed, and you would of heard the 50+ seconds of warnings to drop your weapon.  

You were told a number of times to not land, and a number of times too drop all your weapons, the first UGN gang member opened fire as you landed against instruction, I then opened fire when you had been told a number of times to drop your weapon,  and you did not comply for what ever reason.  This can only be taken as you entering an already hostile area and seeking revenge, we had the right to defend our selves especially when threatened by a group of heavily armed bandits.

There is video evidence too support all my claims,  annoyingly my shadowplay didnt record, otherwise i would upload mine, but another member of UGN recorded it all, so I will ask him too.

This is a clear sign of a communication breakdown, and why it is imperative you have your sound turned up if you want to give or receive instructions.  

 

[Dissolving]

Please upload evidence to provide what you're saying. Also, we can't hear you if we are inside a chopper and the guy shouting at us is in the Ifrit, so please don't say thing like don't land. We can obviously not hear such a thing.

 

[Iceboob]

Very convenient and deceiving, posting a mere one minute clip.

I address your complaint with the following;

- Where is the rest of the video that shows the initial Role Play at the Paros garage where your Goose Cartel member was stripped naked by UGN, and who then managed to escape? Do you deny this happened?

- Wheres the rest of the video that shows the role play that was initiated at the Goose Cartel Hemmt Box truck that we were robbing at the Frog Leg swamp? Do you deny this happened?

 
- Wheres the rest of the video that shows our UGN member being killed whilst Role Playing with your member at the truck? Do you deny this happened?

 
- Wheres the rest of the video that shows us kiling your Coose Cartel member at the truck? Do you deny this happened?

 
- You have failed to mention that only a few moments before you turned up that your gang member "Gc Fcastro" was killed by UGN. This is relevant and goes to show why you are turning up in force, heavily armed, ready to seek vengeance, in your easily identifyable Goose Cartel branded/emblemed chopper.

- It is a matter of fact that "Gc Fcastro" was only killed only one time by UGN. Your statement that, "...they [uGN] killed Fcastro again...", is false. 

- It is a matter of fact that no UGN member killed any NHS Medic. Your statement that, "... they [uGN] killed Fcastro + another medic," is completely false and a fabrication. We can only perceive your reasons to facbricate this lie is to intentionally deceive the admins and viewers of this ban request thread.

What does not belong on this server is people who are trying to deceive the admins with short one minute clips and inaccurate written descriptions that depict a very tainted and redacted story.

 

[Mr Laurens]

Very convenient and deceiving, posting a mere one minute clip.

I address your complaint with the following;

- Where is the rest of the video that shows the initial Role Play at the Paros garage where your Goose Cartel member was stripped naked by UGN and who then managed to escape? Do you deny this happened?

- Wheres the rest of the video that shows the role play that was initiated at the Goose Cartel Hemmt Box truck that we were robbing at the Frog Leg swamp? Do you deny this happened?

 
- Wheres the rest of the video that shows our UGN member being killed whilst Role Playing with your member at the truck? Do you deny this happened?

 
- Wheres the rest of the video that shows us kiling your Coose Cartel member at the truck? Do you deny this happened?

 
- You have failed to mention that only a few moments before you turned up that your gang member "Gc Fcastro" was killed by UGN. This is relevant and goes to show why you are turning up in force, heavily armed, ready to seek vengeance, in your easily identifyable Goose Cartel branded/emblemed chopper.

- It is a matter of fact that "Gc Fcastro" was only killed only one time by UGN. Your statement that, "...they [uGN] killed Fcastro again...", is false. 

- It is a matter of fact that no UGN member killed any NHS Medic. Your statement that, "... they [uGN] killed Fcastro + another medic," is completely false and a fabrication. We can only perceive your reasons to facbricate this lie is to intentionally deceive the admins and viewers of this ban request thread.

What does not belong on this server is people who are trying to deceive the admins with short one minute clips and inaccurate written descriptions that depict a very tainted and redacted story.

and do u got a video about all this?? would love to see it.

 

[Iceboob]

and do u got a video about all this?? would love to see it.

Address my points first. The video will come after your answers are noted. 

 

[Steph]

I am waiting for people to post any evidence that can be provided to solve this case.

 

[Dissolving]

Address my points first. The video will come after your answers are noted. 

Obviously i dont have this on record because i was NOT there, I heard there was a ifrit making trouble at the frog swamps so I decided to check it out, we got shot  without any warning after we got out of the chopper as you can see on the video.

We don't have to address your points, you will have to provide evidence otherwise your words are worth nothing.

Unlike you we are not a gang who solves everything with guns, we wanted to speak about this. 

 

[Iceboob]

Obviously i dont have this on record because i was NOT there, I heard there was a ifrit making trouble at the frog swamps so I decided to check it out, we got shot  without any warning after we got out of the chopper as you can see on the video.

We don't have to address your points, you will have to provide evidence otherwise your words are worth nothing.

Unlike you we are not a gang who solves everything with guns, we wanted to speak about this. 

Then your gang is to address the points as a collective. You are lieing in your description and I want you to address my points as this is our preliminary response to your report. You should not feel free to completely evade our questions and concerns.

 

[Ximi]

Very convenient and deceiving, posting a mere one minute clip.

I address your complaint with the following;

- Where is the rest of the video that shows the initial Role Play at the Paros garage where your Goose Cartel member was stripped naked by UGN, and who then managed to escape? Do you deny this happened? I don’t have a video off that. But I can approve this roleplay happened. Fcastro was robbed there, was able to run away at some moment. Then you guys met him again at the frog swamp. Where Nils and I (Ximi) were picking up frog legs. You never started roleplay with Nils nor me. I am a Gc member. 

- Wheres the rest of the video that shows the role play that was initiated at the Goose Cartel Hemmt Box truck that we were robbing at the Frog Leg swamp? Do you deny this happened?  You guys started roleplay with Fcastro at the frog swamp, asking him to put off his clothes etc, then he got killed. (Post your own video to tell me how he got killed.)

 
- Wheres the rest of the video that shows our UGN member being killed whilst Role Playing with your member at the truck? Do you deny this happened? I have no idea what happend with your UGN member. Fcastro and I were the only Gc members on the ground at that moment. I did not shoot cause I was not involved in the roleplay and was just sidewatching. Can give you a video later.

 
- Wheres the rest of the video that shows us kiling your Coose Cartel member at the truck? Do you deny this happened? Fcastro got killed at the truck as I said so above here. I will ask you to give your video how he got killed.

 
- You have failed to mention that only a few moments before you turned up that your gang member "Gc Fcastro" was killed by UGN. This is relevant and goes to show why you are turning up in force, heavily armed, ready to seek vengeance, in your easily identifyable Goose Cartel branded/emblemed chopper. I called in my gang members with a chopper, because I was the only man on the ground. Then they came. We didn't want to shoot. But Zopp got almost instakilled as you can see in the video above. We wanted to roleplay because this is a ROLEPLAY server and we LOVE TO ROLEPLAY before SHOOTING. You can see this in Matthijs his video. He clearly asked you guys things, no respons, nothing, only bullets.

- It is a matter of fact that "Gc Fcastro" was only killed only one time by UGN. Your statement that, "...they [uGN] killed Fcastro again...", is false. 

Waiting for a video from Fcastro.

- It is a matter of fact that no UGN member killed any NHS Medic. Your statement that, "... they [uGN] killed Fcastro + another medic," is completely false and a fabrication. We can only perceive your reasons to facbricate this lie is to intentionally deceive the admins and viewers of this ban request thread.

http://www.twitch.tv/kill4virus/b/607908775 This has to be almost killed another medic + knocked out GP. Lionel. I must say you killed the other patient in the chopper again, maybe that was confusing another member. Let's wait on Fcastro.

What does not belong on this server is people who are trying to deceive the admins with short one minute clips and inaccurate written descriptions that depict a very tainted and redacted story. I would ask you to not make this threats towards us. We feel like we didn't get our proper roleplay. Gc values roleplay before bullets, you guys didn't want any proper roleplay when we arrived. Can I ask whole UGN to roleplay first and have fun in the roleplay situations before shooting. If not, please play another game where you can kill people without the talking part. This topic is about the killingspree at the chopper.

Video's from me sidewatching coming up later if needed.

 

[Thomas Grean]

We never kill anyone, normally we just take their gear and that's it, but i was killed role playing with a gc member, the other gc members that came we didn't not allow to land shouting at them over the mics. At this point  we had locked down the area It was clear that the helicopter wasn't there to just find out what was happening. we know it was the gc helicopter, we told them not to land, they did so we open fired. Idk how the medic did not know with all the gun fire around him and trying to revive the gc member in a war while were still in the same area as we started and calming hes that he had him for 5 mins does not matter he should not of been there in the first place. So what would of happened if he did revive him, back into the fight hes allowed to carry on.

 

[Ximi]

We never kill anyone, normally we just take their gear and that's it, but i was killed role playing with a gc member, the other gc members that came we didn't not allow to land shouting at them over the mics. At this point  we had locked down the area It was clear that the helicopter wasn't there to just find out what was happening. we know it was the gc helicopter, we told them not to land, they did so we open fired. Idk how the medic did not know with all the gun fire around him and trying to revive the gc member in a war while were still in the same area as we started and calming hes that he had him for 5 mins does not matter he should not of been there in the first place. So what would of happened if he did revive him, back into the fight hes allowed to carry on.

It's not because we are arriving in a chopper that we want to kill. We didn't even shoot, never ever. I could have killed some guys but I didn't because I wasn't involved in the roleplay and I was waiting on my gang members in the chopper because I didn't feel safe. You could have talked to the chopper properly and not shooting them directly. The guy talking to us was in an ifrit and this is really difficult to understand. Then Matthijs was talking to you guys, no answers on his question but only put your gun down I guess? It's not really clear when you are in a ifrit. Before that, our other members were already shot.

The medics came in later. UGN was already gone or not near to tell the medics not to revive. The medics waited to see if somebody was in the area before landing. See the link in my previous post.

 

[Wilco]

Too much typing.. a longer video please

I want to see the events leading upto this area.

 

[Iceboob]

@Ximi dont give us that dribble about how you put Roleplay at the forefront. It was only a couple of days ago where Goose Cartel opened fire on my vehicle at the Heroin field without Roleplay. Im sure you remember well, where 2 heavily outnumbered UGN members proceeded to kill all 7 of you and then chopped all 3 of your choppers

@Wilco I have a lengthy Shadowplay video that starts in Paros but I go on holiday today for 10 days so wont be able to post the video for a while. I can submit a copy of my boarding card if you need proof I fly away today, and that im not attempting a fake stall tactic. Otherwise it'll be down to the others to post videos that show a bit more than Goose Cartels selective 1 minute clip

 

[Seeme Rolling]

Oke my point of vieuw,

I don't really know what the robbery at paros garage has to do with it but that happend, i just putted my uniform on the ground and then i ran for my life. (really dont see what this has to do with what happend at the frog legs but oke).

http://youtu.be/R6OsUQEWC9E

I started running. this implies that you guys actually metagamed by shooting at GC cause i had no visual signs of my gang on me. 

Second they vdm'd my truck at frog legs by which i lost a wheel, after this they told me to put all my gear down, i did, and to put my hands back on my head which i also did.

Then a member of TI don't know his full name though came to rescue me, he killed the ugn member and then i tried to pick up the gun from the ugn member after which i got shot down and killed (understable reason though). 

The shots fired at the other members of Gc that i don't really understand, this was happening around 50m away from me so i did not hear anything of this. 

video where ugn member gets killed: http://youtu.be/oxGGbr9MMho

I dont have a video of them rping to me but it was only one guys wearing an arrac outfit.

After all the killing the scene was calm for a mere 5 minutes, the medics popped up and revived us, this was no warzone anymore atm!!!

After this they kept shouting to the medics why do you revive in a medic zone and they told the medics to leave the scene. The medics tried to get the patients with them and 1 ugn member aggreed but then an other ugn member popped up and dissaggreed and started shooting.(got a video of this, did not see what actually happend down there that you should ask at lionel.)

http://youtu.be/eZ7-3olhMew

 

[Shivers]

The relevance of the Paros robbery is that, after we stripped you half naked.... purely for RP sake.....  you managed to slip away to the contruction site, and opened fire upon myself, which is fine, but we then lose sight of you and then see you disapeer off in the direction of frog swamp, so we find you there with the GC truck and out you get, half naked man, in my eyes the RP never stopped, if anyone wants to bring up the 5 minute rule please note wilco mentioned a number of times before that this is not a thing.  

I was quite enjoying the whole RP event, I was going to play out a hostage scene by water boarding you in the water, too find out who you were but by the time i managed to drive my car through the sand the TI member had already started too intervene and then your boys turned up and then whole situation of them being killed off happened, as we took this like i said earlier that you had called for back up, and upon them being identified as GC,  we then tried to get them too leave etc.

As for the video unfortunately we now have too wait for Panda to get back from his holiday

 

[Ximi]

This report is about the fact that you guys just shot at the heli when it was not clear that we couldn't land there, because people were talking while in an ifrit and while a chopper is trying to land. Too much noise. Matthijs even asked why you were shooting at them, the only thing he got was put your gun down (and that is not even clearly in the video) and got instantly shot.

I have nothing against the fact that you roleplayed with Fcastro, but just because Gc is landing in a heli doesn't mean you can shoot at them. I would ask you guys next time to talk and negotiate, if the negotiations fail then go out or start to fight. That would make so much better RP. 

TI had nothing to do with Gc so that doesn't change anything.

 

[Shivers]

Absolutely it does!

You were entering an area in which GC members had been engaged in RP, and combat, then conviently you arrive, so we can only assume back up was called.  Thats fine, call back up nothing wrong with that, but too then enter an already hot firefight zone, and have a vehicle warn you off by driving beneath you should of been enough of a warning even without being able to hear the instructions too leave.

Warning shots were fired by members of the gang,

I agree that RP talks are great fun, and are 100% why I play on ALUK, but a helicopter load of armed men landing where we have already shot and killed a member of that same gang moments before, will always be taken as a hostile act. 

If these situation was reveresed, this post would never of existed.

 

[lionel]

Considering my video has been dragged in here and I was present at the incident at an earlier or later time.

I shall say the roleplay and attitude shown by ugn members was absolutely atrocious.

Not only did you arrive after we had been there for a good 5 min roleplaying, there had been no gunfire at our location and you felt it was fine to try and communicate with me whilst sat in a iffrit, the ONLY reason I could hear you is because I always use earplugs. Had I been flying in my own vehicle there is no chance even with earplugs that I would of heard you.

This explains relevant data what is potentially missing from my video, or is unclear.

On a side note, I have already spoken with ugn about this situation and consider it resolved on my part.