Police rubbing instead of using a tazer

[MrLongSlong]

Hello,

Recently I got into a situation with the police,I was running away from an officer and I was way out of tazing distance , ( I know that for some reason taser's have perpetual distance but they aren't allowed to use them for long range? ) the police man told me that he would tazer me so I wasn't too bothered because I was out of range, but instead he used non lethal bullets on me, know I was at the time carrying a weapon and if he had told me he was going to use non lethal force I would have stopped running got cover and returned fire,

My question is:

Is this fair and has be broken any server or police rules? 

Many thanks

-MrLongSlong

 

[Shepherd Kingston]

From what we have been told in police meetings that initiation is initiation, I belive previously some police were complaining that they got shot after saying non lethal force will be used ect and were simply told initiation is initiation.

I can see where your coming from its shitty the officer rubbered you instead of tazing like he said however even after saying he will taze you he could have been shot after some rp was given back so I am guessing he did it to value his life. 

I don't believe its a rule break, just bad communication but that's just me, perhaps Staff/Gold Command could clarify ?

 

[KingGodDiabloZ]

In the police handbook nothing is clarified over initiation and what to say. However the police needs to use force that fits the situation. Normally I use this method for deciding what force to use

Tazer: Unarmed civilian

Rubber bullets: Armed person, after a dangerous situation (a high speed chase etc)

Lethals: When being fired upon or when in a gunfight. 

If you can please give us some more information about what you had on you in that situation that would be usefull. 

 

[Ant]

If he threatened to taze you, you still have the right to kill him to defend yourself. If he said he was going to taze you, he should probably taze you - he should have threatened you with 'force' in the first place, rather than specifically a tazer/'non lethal force' as it allows him to use more of his arsenal as long as he deems it necessary

Has he broken server rules? No

Has he broken police rules? No - you say yourself your not unarmed therefore rubber bullets may be necessary to keep himself safe

 

[MrLongSlong]

In the police handbook nothing is clarified over initiation and what to say. However the police needs to use force that fits the situation. Normally I use this method for deciding what force to use

Tazer: Unarmed civilian

Rubber bullets: Armed person, after a dangerous situation (a high speed chase etc)

Lethals: When being fired upon or when in a gunfight. 

If you can please give us some more information about what you had on you in that situation that would be usefull. 

Indeed I can,

I was carrying an MX on my back and I was in a police chase I was in a hemmit and they where in a squad car, I ran into there spike strips which baring in mind they didn't warn me they where going to use but I wasn't bothered.

The Problem I had with the situation was because the police man stated he was going to "tazer me" which I had no problem with because I was a good 10-20 meters away which would of meant he can't hit me, I don't feel it would be right if he said he is going to tazer me to turn around and start firing because I value my own life as I do with others lives as well.

I have gopro footage of the incident if you require anymore clarification.

 

[Coco]

Indeed I can,

I was carrying an MX on my back and I was in a police chase I was in a hemmit and they where in a squad car, I ran into there spike strips which baring in mind they didn't warn me they where going to use but I wasn't bothered.

The Problem I had with the situation was because the police man stated he was going to "tazer me" which I had no problem with because I was a good 10-20 meters away which would of meant he can't hit me, I don't feel it would be right if he said he is going to tazer me to turn around and start firing because I value my own life as I do with others lives as well.

I have gopro footage of the incident if you require anymore clarification.

If you’re in a police chase then why would they need to warn you they’re going to use spike strips? 

Initiation is initiation at the end of the day. It doesn’t matter if he said he was going to taze you, rubber you or knock you out, if he’s threatening you with a firearm then you have the right to defend yourself as long as you rp it. This doesn’t mean that if an officer states you’ll be tazed if you don’t comply or whatever then you can  just gat them down, rp with them.

I don’t personally see a problem with this situation as even though he stated at the time he’d use a tazer on you by the time he could you had already ran far enough away which would result in him having to use other means to apprehend you. He did give you warning that you’d be shot at and that’s what matters

 

[MrLongSlong]

If you’re in a police chase then why would they need to warn you they’re going to use spike strips? 

Initiation is initiation at the end of the day. It doesn’t matter if he said he was going to taze you, rubber you or knock you out, if he’s threatening you with a firearm then you have the right to defend yourself as long as you rp it. This doesn’t mean that if an officer states you’ll be tazed if you don’t comply or whatever then you can  just gat them down, rp with them.

I don’t personally see a problem with this situation as even though he stated at the time he’d use a tazer on you by the time he could you had already ran far enough away which would result in him having to use other means to apprehend you. He did give you warning that you’d be shot at and that’s what matters

I questioned the use of spike stips because in the rules it clearly states that the use of them consists of no roleplay and I'n my mind that meant you have to warn people before you use them.

I agree and didn't find it a massive problem at the time I was merely asking a question as although I would have liked him to Initiate on me properly but really he  didn't do anything wrong, I was just wondering weather it would be seen as a sort of fail rp or anything else because he technically  didn't do what he was going to say.

In my eyes the civilian version of this incident would be someone starts stealing your  car or something and you tell them that if they don't stop they will be knocked out but they go out of range or what ever so you shoot them instead which might be seen as RDM.

Anyway, I appreciate your response.

 

[KingGodDiabloZ]

I questioned the use of spike stips because in the rules it clearly states that the use of them consists of no roleplay and I'n my mind that meant you have to warn people before you use them.

I agree and didn't find it a massive problem at the time I was merely asking a question as although I would have liked him to Initiate on me properly but really he  didn't do anything wrong, I was just wondering weather it would be seen as a sort of fail rp or anything else because he technically  didn't do what he was going to say.

In my eyes the civilian version of this incident would be someone starts stealing your  car or something and you tell them that if they don't stop they will be knocked out but they go out of range or what ever so you shoot them instead which might be seen as RDM.

Anyway, I appreciate your response.

On the first part you're wrong. You don't need to be warned before using spikestrips. The police can use them whenever they think it's necessary. 

I don't see how it would be failrp if you don't do what you say. If a police officer in real life says if you don't comply he is tazing you then you reach for a firearm or anything similar and he shoots with his gun would be the same right? 

And knocking someone out and shooting them is a big difference. The thing is with tazer and rubbers they are both non lethal. So if he said you will be tazed and you were shot dead then it would be a bit different. 

 

[MrLongSlong]

I don't see how it would be failrp if you don't do what you say. If a police officer in real life says if you don't comply he is tazing you then you reach for a firearm or anything similar and he shoots with his gun would be the same right? 

Thats the thing, I didn't reach for my firearm or anything, but still I understand your point.