Police RP is shocking with Hostage Situations.

[JustHamzaPK]

Hola ,

Following on the conversation : https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/139152-the-police-and-hostage-situations/#comment-794763

I am not here to criticize anyone but honestly this is not the first time every time something big has been attempted on the server the police RP is shocking , they legit don't care about hostages all they want to do is just win the situation. Police top priority should be to keep hostages safe.

I will put few clips of our situation down here for everyone to look and give their opinions:

The RP was as below :

We kidnapped few people in order to do the big bank Heist which we have been planning for few days , we gathered the C4 / Drills etc .

Clips of Us Kidnapping Hostages :

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Cops have nothing to lose ( No grinding needed to get any weapon / item so they should give way better RP then the usual criminals  )  so I think they should for sure RP better and give a lot a lot better RP. I don't care about the items lost or the Money but I would appreciate if Management can look into this and Cops to give better RP situations for everyone to enjoy rather then just storming like this. Try making these situations more interesting for both parties. Why didn't they think of giving a chase ? Letting us create more RP out of all this situations ? Hostages Life they didn't care at all ? All hostages life what's the point of having Hostages ?  A lot of things that are bad example of RP here to be honest. I am looking forward to hear peoples opening here and the whole point of this post is to see if we can all improve on our RP's and make this server/ city even better then it is atm.

 

[ErnieW]

https://streamable.com/z0o18m

Someone in the background of that video really enjoys doing bank.

 

[Exorcist]

that was one of the hostage and he's reported for not valuing his life

 

[JustHamzaPK]

Someone in the background of that video really enjoys doing bank.

I legit still don't know who it is but is funny AF hahahahahah

 

[PJ Adams]

I was at the bank when you guys were there, there's a lot of factors that go into police breaching. One of the biggest in this situation with you guys was you threatening the hostages lives at least 4/5 times. I have the entire police's perspective. We relayed the message to the hostage takers that if they continue to threaten the hostage's lives then we will come inside and breach the door. We breached due to the fact your intentions were to harm the hostage and we thought the best process of action was to try get them out using police issued equipment such as flashbangs etc to stop the hostages from being harmed. Although we didn't succeed in preserving life, there's only so much we can do as cops to preserve life in those situations. If we are hearing that you're going to harm them whilst they're inside, we have to breach in order to do our best to save them. In the end, after medical care from NHS most of the hostages survived and I think 2 of the hostage takers survived also. 
 

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[Raz]

Hi, I never got shot, and thus never got treated by the NHS (I am a hostage taker). As for the lives. They were only threatened when I got arrested. (I was the guy on the bike). There were a thousand ways to go about the situation, one being using me to free some hostages. Instead everyone came with the mindset of a gunfight. I dont mind losing anything. The fact is there were a thousand ways the sitatuion could have went without the use of weapons.

 

[JustHamzaPK]

We relayed the message to the hostage takers that if they continue to threaten the hostage's lives then we will come inside and breach the door

Can you tell me where in your clip you guys did this please I might have missed it ? 

Regards,

Hamza

One of the biggest in this situation with you guys was you threatening the hostages lives at least 4/5 times

Only Done this after you guys took one of our guys and yous been shown all hostages alive and Healty at the start of the Op.

In the end, after medical care from NHS most of the hostages survived and I think 2 of the hostage takers survived also. 

You guys shot them and us in the process and this was to have a gun fight not really save anyone tbh. If you really wanted to save the hostages you guys would have RP's the situations and demanded for few to be released in return for our guy or something like it doesn't make sense with 10 people around armed with 5 hostages going in with weapons realistically.. 

If we are hearing that you're going to harm them whilst they're inside, we have to breach in order to do our best to save them. In the end, after medical care from NHS most of the hostages survived and I think 2 of the hostage takers survived also. 

Told you guys we giving you a min to solve it and give us our boy in return for Hostages safety , could have asked us to give you guys 2 hostages in return or something again it looked like you guys just wanted a gun fight to us.

 

[Zulufighter]

Sorry bit unclear, what is the suggestion here or is this just another 'muh cops are win hungry cause we didn't get to win' post?

 

[Raz]

Sorry bit unclear, what is the suggestion here or is this just another 'muh cops are win hungry cause we didn't get to win' post?

Hello, as I was part of the situation. I think the main concern here is that there are a 1000 ways of dealing with a situation without it getting to a gunfight. Of course, cops are always going to win if it comes to the gunfight simply due to the manpower they have. There are a thousand ways the cops can win, they can chase with NPAS, get interceptors, bikes etc. The main point is, people rarely hit the big bank and when they do, most of the time it always ends up getting breached. I was the guy on the bike who got arrested, you could have easily negotiated my return in turn of hostages. You have to remember this is a RP server, the cops always cry about "not everything has to end up in a gunfight" and they do the same. I dont get how they expect to get that in return. This is a situation in which in no way can the robbers win. Make it fun, give a chase. doesnt always have to end up in a breach, with no justification btw.

 

[PJ Adams]

Can you tell me where in your clip you guys did this please I might have missed it ? 

Regards,

Hamza

I've looked again in this video, the message wasn't relayed here but earlier and the footage hasn't shown it. I do remember a female officer dressed in a black police vest speaking to you and firearms relaying the message over to tell you guys though.

 

[Nikolai]

I would appreciate if Management can look into this

don't see why management needs to look into it tbf, it would be a thing more for police command as it's a issue with how police operates, not the server as a whole(so to speak).

on another note, don't really see where the suggestion is and as Zulu stated it looks a bit more just like someone lost and wants to complain somewhere about it, i may be wrong though.


(own opinion and stuff)

 

[Dimaaaa]

Hello, as I was part of the situation. I think the main concern here is that there are a 1000 ways of dealing with a situation without it getting to a gunfight. Of course, cops are always going to win if it comes to the gunfight simply due to the manpower they have. There are a thousand ways the cops can win, they can chase with NPAS, get interceptors, bikes etc. The main point is, people rarely hit the big bank and when they do, most of the time it always ends up getting breached. I was the guy on the bike who got arrested, you could have easily negotiated my return in turn of hostages. You have to remember this is a RP server, the cops always cry about "not everything has to end up in a gunfight" and they do the same. I dont get how they expect to get that in return. This is a situation in which in no way can the robbers win. Make it fun, give a chase. doesnt always have to end up in a breach, with no justification btw.

First of all, you're funny if you think cops win every gunfight.

Second of all, the points everyone else has made so far (i.e. you were literally threating the hostage)

the thing that every single one of these dumb "cOpS dOnT kNoW hOw tO rP wE mAkE aLl tHeSe aMaZiNg rOlEpLaY sItUaTiOnS aNd tHeY dOnT rP" is that you really aren't making a good RP situation, honest to god every second incident we go to is a shitty hostage situation at life invader and every single hostage situation is literally a cookie cutter to the point that people literally just say "I want the los santos special" when negotiating, it's fucking embarrassing. This idea of "I have a hostage and that makes me impenetrable" is such an aids meta because it completely shuts down any chance of risk. By knowing that if you say or do the wrong thing to make police concerned for the hostage you'll get breached, it adds an actual risk to the situation and makes you strongly consider that maybe taking a hostage and robbing banks isn't a good idea, as it wouldn't be in real life.

In summary, please stop complaining that you lost the situation, and that it's balanced out.

 

[Joshua]

I would appreciate if Management can look into this

I don't feel this is a management issue - please come and find Police Command, we will organise a time and sit down with you if needed to discuss the situation - forum suggestions do no good, and become a slating session.

 

[Raz]

First of all, you're funny if you think cops win every gunfight.

To address your first point, I want to add that you will win every gun fight if it happens at the big bank, simply due to the fact, that we are sitting ducks in there. 

Second of all, the points everyone else has made so far (i.e. you were literally threating the hostage)

the thing that every single one of these dumb "cOpS dOnT kNoW hOw tO rP wE mAkE aLl tHeSe aMaZiNg rOlEpLaY sItUaTiOnS aNd tHeY dOnT rP" is that you really aren't making a good RP situation, honest to god every second incident we go to is a shitty hostage situation at life invader and every single hostage situation is literally a cookie cutter to the point that people literally just say "I want the los santos special" when negotiating, it's fucking embarrassing. This idea of "I have a hostage and that makes me impenetrable" is such an aids meta because it completely shuts down any chance of risk. By knowing that if you say or do the wrong thing to make police concerned for the hostage you'll get breached, it adds an actual risk to the situation and makes you strongly consider that maybe taking a hostage and robbing banks isn't a good idea, as it wouldn't be in real life.

In summary, please stop complaining that you lost the situation, and that it's balanced out.

To reply to this, I don't understand how else a criminal can get the cops to negotiate. As a police officer, it should be your first priority to make sure the hostage stays safe, no matter what the situation is(Given roleplay is being provided). You are roleplaying as a police officer, you are supposed to be the one to deescalate situations. There is nothing about wanting a Los Santos special lol, the conditions are simple, a fun chase, which everyone can enjoy. No one minds getting caught in a chase cus its fair for both sides. What your comment suggests is that everyone should be a law abiding citizen like in real life, which doesnt make any sense. Mind it the negotiations could have been better, but I still think the breach was unnecessary. As for this specific situation i would also like to add, the guy that was grabbing the money got banned for illegal client, which I also called out in the ooc chat (He has been unbanned). There were a thousand things that went wrong in the heist from the server side (nothing on our end or yours but you could have been more considerate of the situation). Also, the hostage's life was not threatened until I got arrested (I was on the bike outside). At this point, you are just making it sound like no one should do the bank, cus no matter what they do they will get breached. You have to remember as a criminal it takes time to  make sure you have every equipment in order to, to not even get a chance to is unfair. Sure lifeinvader is different, but the big bank requires prep, time and the right contacts. This suggestion, is put up just to show to get opinions on what people think and how these situations should proceed. I want to see what people think of this kind of rp, and if it is the way forward.

 

[Dimaaaa]

To address your first point, I want to add that you will win every gun fight if it happens at the big bank, simply due to the fact, that we are sitting ducks in there. 

Literally not true, I've lost several gunfights there.

To address your first point, I want to add that you will win every gun fight if it happens at the big bank, simply due to the fact, that we are sitting ducks in there. 

To reply to this, I don't understand how else a criminal can get the cops to negotiate. As a police officer, it should be your first priority to make sure the hostage stays safe, no matter what the situation is(Given roleplay is being provided). You are roleplaying as a police officer, you are supposed to be the one to deescalate situations. There is nothing about wanting a Los Santos special lol, the conditions are simple, a fun chase, which everyone can enjoy. No one minds getting caught in a chase cus its fair for both sides. What your comment suggests is that everyone should be a law abiding citizen like in real life, which doesnt make any sense. Mind it the negotiations could have been better, but I still think the breach was unnecessary. As for this specific situation i would also like to add, the guy that was grabbing the money got banned for illegal client, which I also called out in the ooc chat (He has been unbanned). There were a thousand things that went wrong in the heist from the server side (nothing on our end or yours but you could have been more considerate of the situation). Also, the hostage's life was not threatened until I got arrested (I was on the bike outside). At this point, you are just making it sound like no one should do the bank, cus no matter what they do they will get breached. You have to remember as a criminal it takes time to  make sure you have every equipment in order to, to not even get a chance to is unfair. Sure lifeinvader is different, but the big bank requires prep, time and the right contacts. This suggestion, is put up just to show to get opinions on what people think and how these situations should proceed. I want to see what people think of this kind of rp, and if it is the way forward.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying people shouldn't commit crimes, not at all. I'm just saying that there should be a risk other than "let's have a pursuit at the end" to doing these crimes, and that's what happens.

 

[ReggieW]

To address your first point, I want to add that you will win every gun fight if it happens at the big bank, simply due to the fact, that we are sitting ducks in there. 

it definitely makes it harder for the police after the introduction of the new (G4.5) rule which means they cannot return to the situation that caused them to be downed as from personal experience what police used to do was get downed, be escorted to a triage maybe 100 metres away, get revived, wait 10 minutes and return, yet after the introduction of this new rule I can definitely see how police are more susceptible to losing gunfights involving the big bank heist.

 

[Raz]

Literally not true, I've lost several gunfights there.

Alright fair, but again. I think the main argument here is that it is a RP server, if I wanted to shoot a gun, theres thousand different fps games i can play. The main point of this suggestion is to minimise the gun fights and enhance RP. 

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying people shouldn't commit crimes, not at all. I'm just saying that there should be a risk other than "let's have a pursuit at the end" to doing these crimes, and that's what happens.

If thats your only argument here, then I think hostage situations are of no use then. I think the police should breach every hostage situation since that is a serious crime irl. I think you just don't take into account, the amount of work crims have to put in, in order to setup a heist like the big bank. All the police have to do is spawn in, go to the armoury grab there weapon and boom you are ready for a gunfight. Sure there should be risk of a breach or whatever but make the situation fun. The cops always have more units, more resources at there disposal than crims.

it definitely makes it harder for the police after the introduction of the new (G4.5) rule which means they cannot return to the situation that caused them to be downed as from personal experience what police used to do was get downed, be escorted to a triage maybe 100 metres away, get revived, wait 10 minutes and return, yet after the introduction of this new rule I can definitely see how police are more susceptible to losing gunfights involving the big bank heist.

The same rule applies to the crims as well?

 

[Johnathon Reeds]

they can chase with NPAS, get interceptors,

Sorry mate what were two of your demands again?

 

[Zulufighter]

Hello, as I was part of the situation. I think the main concern here is that there are a 1000 ways of dealing with a situation without it getting to a gunfight.

Perhaps if there is no suggestion then we could move all the complaining and this thread to somewhere more appropriate. Perhaps 'Comedy & Memes' would be a better place for it.