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RichieRichUK

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Brief Summary:

This thread is based around creating more positively and proactive police force. 

I know your character is not you, this is a game involving roleplay a character you have created. 

I do not believe this should be implemented In a suggestion via the police suggestions. 

I want to start by discussing the word 'Morale' and another word 'Fair Conduct' 

These are my views and opinions of what has happened to me in Roleplay for Police Command/Staff to Discuss which I feel the community could have a bigger input.

Definition:

the confidence, enthusiasm, and discipline of a person or group at a particular time.

"the team's morale was high"


Definition:

formal a fair and reasonable way of behaving towards people, so that everyone is treated in the same way.

We are not a gang, Its a work place. Players on the server have accusations against the police for acting like a gang. In my OPINION yes, some officers do act like they are a gang and are protected by there friends in higher ranks. If you are on the inside of the police force you can see which officers act this way. Response officers get treated like dirt with 0 respect. 

YES ITS ROLEPLAY but we are HUMAN.

Fair conduct it should make everything more enjoyable and fun for both parties. Police should be a deterrent not something that escalates problems. Everyone should be treated the same way if they are a criminal or an officer. Obviously measures are taken but just because its X = Criminal, Y = Police. Y should still act as an officer. 

You should obviously earn respect if you have been in the community in your position for a long time, yes and that character does show. 

I was involved in a situation from the LOST MC. I know I was in trouble in roleplay when I had knocked a rider of his bike and put him into a coma. 

MY EXAMPLE: 

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my roleplay ended here with kip not finding out how he was shot in roleplay he only found out in liaison by them telling me the police normally turn up shooting when they see guns at officers which I feel limits roleplay.

If they didn't have such a strong belief of how the police are this would not of happened to kip I believe. I feel their is multiple other words around this but morale and fair conduct is around this and it needs to be solved somehow. 

EXAMPLE:

Inspector Christopher Gray raising his voice or being mad about someone.

The amount of 'Roleplay' Chris gray has given myself by kind, friendly and helpful, If he shouted I know he would be mad. I've been approached by SGTS with 0 respect and very aggressively which I have never seen in Roleplay. Just cause your a higher rank, I don't feel you can speak to someone like crap and make them feel that they are worthless, very professional.  

I know staff could say yes this should be implemented in roleplay and a report should be put in at the front desk. I feel reports do not work in Roleplay when the people solving the reports are friends with officers in the force some given very lightly for the stuff they have done compared to what others have done. 

Ranking in the police is a big issue as around the ranks is a friendship group which if you are in that friendship group you can get away with anything. I have experienced that myself which is really unfair. 

OK SO everything you have read could feel like ok Kip is moaning and complaining. NO. This is my opinion I want to share it with the community and staff as you always said you are open to new suggestions and like to hear opinions. 

I think if the Morale and Fair conduct was in place correctly it would be a better place for everyone. 

Meeting minutes is done very well but a lot more could be added to it. 

Staff says 'Roleplay' in each meeting minutes why can't more be added to this? Constructive Criticism is a big factor for improvement of Roleplay. 

I would like to thank all the police command and staff that do a awesome job for everyone in the community. 

Reward / positive feedback on users that are in the police of their performance rather than negative feedback of what they do wrong. Creates a better environment and more roleplay!!!!

Detailed Suggestion:

NEW 

I want to suggest we should have section alongside 'PSAT' to get the morale up.  This adds extra Roleplay and another job provided for people in the police that wants to be positive and give rewards to people . Waking up on the server putting in hours and getting something out of it and feel yes lets go wake up and continue. 

Officer of the Month - Rewarded by Roleplay, Arrests and performance. 

Active - Amount of hours

Board of activity of how many hours officers have put in the past week. 

This could be implemented in by the devs using a object like a book, board in a room. 

User on shift Active : hours conclude when user clocks off/logs off. 

Officer of the month on a board at the front desk or somewhere that makes sense. 

This could be rewarded out of the police budget. Put more money into positivity and training. I feel a lot of the police budget from my acknowledgement goes into negative things like court hearings etc. 

PSAT:

If someone is being investigated create more roleplay by telling people of what they are being investigated on the spot in the Reg 17. This gives them enough time in RP to get a solicitor etc. I find a lot of people that have been investigated in my time in the police get told what they have done from the PSAT officers friends or their circle group. This is unfair, It also stops people from wanting to go online or 'wake up'. 

I know multiple officers that did not want to wake up when they are being investigated by PSAT and have had to wait over 10-14 days to know the reason. This could give them Anxiety on what they have done wrong, yes its roleplay but some people are generally not a corrupt officer and have made a mistake. 

It is a 'GAME' people shouldn't have to wait 14 days to find out what they have done wrong with little to no detail. Yes people have jobs outside of playing a game, understand that. I feel in 10 days you can achieve a lot and set new goals. 

Tell them on the spot.

They can create roleplay around it.

It motivates them to wake up and solve the issue rather than leaving them in the dark. 

I could add a lot more to this summary and have lots of other points but will keep it at this for now, would like others to add there opinions and hopefully people can see the point I am trying to put across to the community/ users in the police. 

The Pros:

A Happier and proactive police force.

Fairness

Rewards

More positive and better roleplay 

The Cons:

Thinking and Work may be for devs. 

Does this suggestion change balance on the server ?

I don't think so

 
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In my OPINION yes, some officers do act like they are a gang and are protected by there friends in higher ranks
if they're acting unprofessional, make complaints, it's what it's there for.

I feel reports do not work in Roleplay when the people solving the reports are friends with officers in the force
what? you want PSD to not have any ingame relations to other officers? same with command of units? seems rather back handed if you ask me

Ranking in the police is a big issue as around the ranks is a friendship group which if you are in that friendship group you can get away with anything.
yes, higher ranks are (mostly) friends, it's just how it is, it doesn't allow us to get away with "anything" though

Meeting minutes is done very well but a lot more could be added to it.
that's up to the individual units, CI+ merely provide the document for them to write on.

Staff says 'Roleplay' in each meeting minutes why can't more be added to this? Constructive Criticism is a big factor for improvement of Roleplay.
because it's rarely staff leads that come in and say "roleplay" and it's staff leads that get told everything from polcom afterall, not us other staff members

I would like to thank all the police command and staff that do a awesome job for everyone in the community.
thanks x2

Reward / positive feedback on users that are in the police of their performance rather than negative feedback of what they do wrong. Creates a better environment and more roleplay!!!!
can't reward something we don't get informed of, when we do the relevant command usually has a short chat with the person in question

Officer of the Month - Rewarded by Roleplay, Arrests and performance. 
up to the individual unit command, just need to bring it up to their command

Active - Amount of hours
?

Board of activity of how many hours officers have put in the past week. 
we have this, just not for normal ranking officer(anything below SGT) for different reasons

This could be rewarded out of the police budget. Put more money into positivity and training. I feel a lot of the police budget from my acknowledgement goes into negative things like court hearings etc.
officer of the month does come from the police budget, we do put money into trainings, almost all trainings are paid now, and no, it's not alot of the police budget that goes into court hearings, we spend alot of money on everyday firearms kits and so on

If someone is being investigated create more roleplay by telling people of what they are being investigated on the spot in the Reg 17.
they do get told what they're being investigated for in the req 17, it may be a bit vague at times, but that may be for a multitude of reasons

This gives them enough time in RP to get a solicitor etc
you can do that right as you get the req 17, we can't stop you
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I know multiple officers that did not want to wake up when they are being investigated by PSAT
that's seems like a mentality issue, nothing a suggestion on the forum can fix

have had to wait over 10-14 days to know the reason
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I find a lot of people that have been investigated in my time in the police get told what they have done from the PSAT officers friends or their circle group
they clearly don't read the req 17 then

It is a 'GAME' people shouldn't have to wait 14 days to find out what they have done wrong with little to no detail.
well if it takes 14 days for the investigating officer to be satisfied, it'll take 14 days, me nor Avion are interested in rushing people as that doesn't help anyone, you shouldn't need to worry about a reg 17 unless you know you fucked up

I feel in 10 days you can achieve a lot and set new goals. 
yes, but so can 30, or 60, and so on, case by case basis

Tell them on the spot.
it's not always easy to tell people on the spot, due to different play times, and so on, hence why most req 17s are done over text as it's the most simple way of doing it efficiently, especially given a req 17 should be given right as the investigation starts

 
TL;DR at the bottom

Was on the border with this suggestion, but having had a CID SGT character I can see both sides of the fence with it, there is clear favouritism within the Police, shit even with PolCom itself, officers favouring certain units and people, it has always been abundandtly clear to me and many others in the same disposition, nothing gets done about it when raised up the chain except a conversation with the individual and then them laughing about it like it's a massive joke.

I understand that this is Roleplay, i'm sure everyone does, but there are certain situations that should be taken seriously within Roleplay, and with the Police there are also A LOT of OOC communications going on, like certain things posted in the police-members Discord channel being taken IC, personally I don't think a channel like that should be mixed, it should either be purely IC or purely OOC, not pick and choose, especially with some of the things people have said previously and/or say currently in that channel.


I've never been a fan of Discord RP and have always preferred communications be done IC, but having said that I can also see Nikolai's POV in regards to timings of people being online/offline, which if that is the case, then more cops in different timezones are needed, a good balance of US/EU/UK cops would be ideal, but again recruiting in that manner is less than ideal.

To summarise, I don't see a suitable method of implementing this suggestion or in fact making any changes unless this favouritism and level of OOC communication stops.

 
I have no idea what this is, but its not something I can code, Paint or 3d Model if you have suggestions for the police take it to police command

 
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