Pat Pepper - Denied (warnings given).

[Imstyle]

Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name): Pat Pepper
 
Time & Date this happened: 06/10/2015
 
Which Server did this happen on: server 1  
 
Description of what happened: we was in kavala when we saw the helicopter land. when i saw the bounty hunter speak to my members i asked him to put his hands up and took his wallet - two secs later i got shot by pat pepper - with no words spoken 
 
What Rule Was Broken ?: rule 3b - rule 7
 
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?: i have - the gentleman has given comp but did not see what is wrong with his actions - with this being a serious rp community - i expected better 
  
Please post video evidence/screenshots here
 
https://youtu.be/4qiEOVtak2A

 
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence, If your report is about RDM then it must be a video leading upto the RDM and after)

 

[Dylan]

Hello!

Seems to me like you are adamant on getting me banned! Next time someone breaks rules and compensates me I will also start to put reports up?

You also missed the fact we talked in a mentor channel during 9:01 and 9:05. Was not expecting this from you, so thanks for resolving things. 

You said in the mentor channel you were gping to get a second opinion,  evident as to why I asked you to tell me..

The fact I compensated you and you still reported me... shows alot about yourself and I hope the admin can see that.. especially as a mentor lol.

And you robbed my friend.. next time I'll come take a selfie with you?  

 

[Stee]

This report should be on myself and not Dylan as I gave him the order to shoot which you were informed of.

I also spoke to @Neo and he informed me that you as a mentor should not be telling us that we have "shit rp". 

For the video, You pointed a gun a foot from my face a threatened my life and robbed me. Enough said.

 

[Wilco]

@DylanS quick question, Do you think its OK for members to go around breaking rules and then compensating just to avoid getting banned ?

My view is the rules are rules, RDM is not tolerated and even if you do compensate a ban should be issued do you not agree ?

@Stee each member is responsible for there own actions, If DylanS has had no interaction with the person he has just killed then its clearly against the rules.

 

[Imstyle]

first and foremost i did not say you had shit rp - i said disapointing rp - i also did speak to another mentor and a admin who advised me this is rdm - i did not ask for any comp and i said that this will go futher  - by saying " Next time someone breaks rules and compensates me I will also start to put reports up?"  you admitted you broke the rules then?  - i have also said on many times with speaking to you i am disapointed with you guys who have been here a long time to give so little rp - the fact that stee was playing as a bounty hunter - you had a illageal gun out and shot and killed me through his order. there so  he is breaking rule 7 

 

[Neo]

At what point should a BOUNTY hunter allow murder? where's the talking the way out of? Where's the warning that you have a bodyguard?

Rule 7, 

The bounty hunter licence is a route of life. You can either go with the legal way of a bounty hunter or the illegal way of a rebel membership.

Why is a bounty hunter with a rebel? it makes no logical sense?

 

[Stee]

@DylanS quick question, Do you think its OK for members to go around breaking rules and then compensating just to avoid getting banned ?

My view is the rules are rules, RDM is not tolerated and even if you do compensate a ban should be issued do you not agree ?

@Stee each member is responsible for there own actions, If DylanS has had no interaction with the person he has just killed then its clearly against the rules.

In TS I told Dylan that imstyle was threatening my life and I told him to shoot multiple times. As far as he knew imstyle was about to pull the trigger and kill me.

 

[Imstyle]

In TS I told Dylan that imstyle was threatening my life and I told him to shoot multiple times. As far as he knew imstyle was about to pull the trigger and kill me.

 you said imstyle? not at anytime i gave you my name? so metagaming also there?

 

[Stee]

 you said imstyle? not at anytime i gave you my name? so metagaming also there?

sigh... I didn't put quotations.

first and foremost i did not say you had shit rp - i said disapointing rp 

https://youtu.be/OMRpdW-8_BM lying are we?

You also called it piss poor and bollocks.

And a 0:41 of the video you also threaten to report us.

3E) Threats to report

 

[Imstyle]

there we go if your quote me please quote propley..

i do aplogoise i have been awake from 6 this morning and my memory lacks me.. so for that i aplogise. but it was piss poor rp and if that offeneded you i am sorry... ps why your throughing stuff around 

referring people as salty and childish isnt very adult from you 

 

[Neo]

Before I ban all 3 of those involved, STOP BICKERING, and ANSWER THE QUESTION.

 

[Stee]

At what point should a BOUNTY hunter allow murder? where's the talking the way out of? Where's the warning that you have a bodyguard?

Rule 7, 

Why is a bounty hunter with a rebel? it makes no logical sense?

We were not fully working together. We are friends so we were in the same TS channel at the time. Dylan landed his heli in Kavala and the 2 guys that were with imstyle were lockpicking it. I ran up and saw them, I then told Dylan that they were at his heli. Dylan runs up to have a look, I go over to the heli and tell them to stop, imstyle pulls a pistol and robs me, I give the order and Dylan kills him.

As far as I can see I did nothing illegal. I asked a man with a weapon to kill a man that was threatening my life. If pat pepper had a pistol or an assault rifle I would have asked him to do the same. So rule 7 was not broken by me.

 

[Dylan]

no I absolutely agree. I didn't compensate him to get out of the report I as I didn't belive I did anything wrong. I compensated him as a gesture of good will and an apology for the inconvience 

no I absolutely agree. I didn't compensate him to get out of the report I as I didn't belive I did anything wrong. I compensated him as a gesture of good will and an apology for the inconvience 

@DylanS quick question, Do you think its OK for members to go around breaking rules and then compensating just to avoid getting banned ?

My view is the rules are rules, RDM is not tolerated and even if you do compensate a ban should be issued do you not agree ?

 

[Steph]

Im gonna stay out of this report but I would just like to point out that Mentors should not use the "Being Helped" Channels if there is NO other Mentor around. As soon as an incident involves you you are not in your "Mentor Position". (You are obviously still a Mentor but it doesn't count at that time because you resolve the situation as a Player not a Staff Member) So please don't use those Channels OR kick from those Channels when you are dealing with your own incidents. Get another unbiased Mentor to help you out with it if needed other than that there is plenty of other rooms to use.  

 

[Imstyle]

thats fine i understand- i did look around for another mentor before speaking before this but i was unable to find anyone who was around as it was like 8.30 ish - neo come on shortly after this - the whole being kicked from a channel thing i am happy to explain to why i do that do anyone who needs to know. its personal so feel free to messege me - ps they asked me to go into their room and i said id rather go somewere else. i only said this because then people cant jump in

 

[Neo]

Locking whilst a decision is made.

Received this from Pat just after it was locked:

I appreciate this is being left for the admins and aluk staff to decide so while they are doing so I will simply say this. My compensation to Imstyle was not an attempt for me to somehow purchase a "get out of jail free card". If I have done anything wrong I am more than happy to face judgement and explain my point of view. In this situation I compensated because I can completely understand his point of view and did so in a gesture of good will and as a token of apology for the inconvience i caused him,  I'm aware his time will have been wasted, but at least his ingame finances will not have suffered. Now,  regarding the situation I can understand why imstyle is unhappy with how it went down. It was an error on my part and a poor call in judgement. I in no way  wanted to commit an act of rdm and was under the impression that I would have been used as a deterrence on the situation making my presence known.  This did not happen,  and it is my fault for not ensuring that I was bought into the situation, and for that I would like to apologise. What I would like to emphasise though,  is my actions were in no way malicious. I appriciate good roleplay and always try to deliver it from my end, and on this occasion I did indeed muck up, but it was not purposeful. I wanted to keep a distance from them as a way of ensuring my safety yet still provide some assistance to my friend whom I was talking to.
At the end of the day my apologies imstyle if you do think this was in anyway purposely commited, I can ensure you it wasn't.

 

[Neo]

Alright, I gave this almost a full day to read through, and I've made my decisions.

I need to also remind people of rule 17A, because sometimes people forget this.

No bans will be issued.

I've based this on the following. As stated by Wilco,

If the player is on teamspeak and you can reach them there first then please make every effort to do so before starting your report.

This did take place, but not well. 

• The first conversation started off by text (from what I can tell). the OP contacts the accused, stating they need to talk.
• a 5 minute convo takes place in a mentor channel, the mentor being the OP states the roleplay was.... "leaving more to be desired"
• The accused offers compensation
• The compensation is received, but the OP doesn't feel justified. 
• The OP another mentor, then myself.
• With no knowledge of the resolving that's taken place, I stated it's definitely report worthy and probably would be banned.

And here we are.... both sides have then continued to squabble for 4 posts after I asked the accused more for their side of the story... Maybe you should pay attention to what's requested rather than a game of slaps.

And here's the end decision. If you're playing bounty hunter. You don't sit in a room full of rebels, you don't use rebels for help, it defies the point...

On the note "I was in the channel with them" and asked them to "fire" a lot of times... does that mean I can join the channel of ANYONE you're interacting with and shoot you in the head? No.

This is partly why there are .50 Cal's in the game anymore, you cannot roleplay through a 2000m scope...

This wouldn't have been so bad if you had simply stated you had hired some bodyguards due to a.... "previous assault" you received on the job, and that the OP should back off.... There was nothing, a gun was shown and a shot instantly fired...

So this is a 1 time warning;

ROLEPLAY EVERYTHING.
If I catch another kill from a "sniper" without any warning, you'll BOTH be banned. 1 for no roleplay, the other for RDM. 

@imstyle next time, get a mentor in the room