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Ali E

Ali E

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Hello guys after latest events i wanted to express my opinions about some things. In my opinion in-game admins shouldn't be able to ban people while they're not on official admin duty. I saw admins banning people while they're on cop patrol or playing as a civilian. Because i mean they're playing as normal players on the server after all. Shouldn't they have to try to resolve it like a normal player? And if resolving doesn't work shouldn't they go ahead and report the individual like a normal player aswell? After all they're not on official admin duty. This  just my opinion about the things that occured and i observed. I am not gonna point fingers or name any names. It's just my concern.

 
Hm. I understand where you're coming from, but at the end of the day, a rule breaker is a rule breaker -

I sure as hell know that if there was a mass RDM session happening, I'd be so grateful if the Moderator was to ban someone whilst on their Civ, instead of just replying "no I cant do anything". At the end of the day, an in game Moderator is just that... an in game Moderator - so if someone is breaking the rules, they shouldn't be here. Simple

Thoughts?

 
Iv often thought about things like this as well. If not on duty, they should not in my opinion deal with cases that involves them (unless mass VDM by hobo in kavala :D  )
Because its easy even for a Game Admin has we are all just people to let feelings and judgment get in the way in the blink of an eye.
So if you ask me lets say a ingame admin is out on Cop Patrol and goes to lets say Weed Prosessing and he gets shot wen he goes out of his car from multiple positions or even just from a hobo, he should not just ban the player but talk to the player to try to resolve it. if that dossent work the admin should put it on report a player and let another admin deal with it as a neutral part.

Just my humble opinion

 
Yea but i am mostly talking about where the admins are involved in the actual situation as a civ/cop. If you got what i mean @Jamz :p  

 
Ah I see.

So let's say @WhoisDan get's VDM'd by a hobo whilst NOT on Admin duty - He shouldnt be able to just ban and instead should follow the same system as everyone else- giving the individual time to explain why he did what he did. Gotcha!

:D  I like the idea, makes things fair.

 
The way i see it , if they have broken a rule , they will get banned. It doesn't matter if they are in a TS channel advertising they are in game, or if they are just casualy playing a walk past a hobo running over a guy constantly. There job if you think about it is to keep the game in control from the in side , and there is times quite a lot when people get caught breaking the rules while an in game admin is casually playing , so they should ban the person.

 
@Jamz now your just beeing silly :p  didnt you see what i said? unless a hobo do mass VDM hehe.

But ofc there are some cases that are 100% clear they should be banned like Mass RDM and Mass VDM or VDM and RDM in purpose thos cases they sould feel free to ban. 
But then they should also be 100% there can be no fault in therre decision 

 
GcDom said:
I completely agree, it's quite ridiculous!  
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As Jamz said , if a admin gets VDMed or see's a hobo running around with a MX rdming everyone in Kavala , i dont see why he would have go on duty to ban. In games admins are always on duty but not always wearing the clothing, there is nothing wrong with them catching people doing wrong while they are just casually playing.

 
Jamz said:
I wrote my message before you commented yours haha. But yes, I agree!
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Then i am happy we agree :)  because there are something called using your common sense on tings.
But i can see how it could go both ways having it like it is now and changing it.

By having it like now. there are going to be more Ban disputes going on instead of just having a chat to clear up in a small thing (then i mean cases were admin bans what they belive were RDM that might not have been) but then again the chance is higher of them geting a cheater of the server faster

How ever changing it would also mean that there could be less or more work for the admins, has there would have too be a seperrat admin checking the case.

ill give it both 1+ and 1- but my + is strongest 

 
Jamz said:
Ah I see.

So let's say @WhoisDan get's VDM'd by a hobo whilst NOT on Admin duty - He shouldnt be able to just ban and instead should follow the same system as everyone else- giving the individual time to explain why he did what he did. Gotcha!

:D  I like the idea, makes things fair.
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As far as I'm aware, this is how we are supposed to handle things, unless it's blatant RDM or something (e.g. a hobo with a Mk20 going on a killing spree in Kavala). Or, at least, this is how I've always done it. When not on duty, I'm only a moderator if the discussion fails and I feel they still deserve a ban after hearing their side. 

As for us not being able to ban at all when not on duty, I disagree completely. I don't think we'd be nearly as effective as we are if we weren't able to ban when not on duty. It allows us to be able to keep the server clean and rid it of rulebreakers anytime we are on and available. 

 
WhoisDan said:
As far as I'm aware, this is how we are supposed to handle things, unless it's blatant RDM or something (e.g. a hobo with a Mk20 going on a killing spree in Kavala). Or, at least, this is how I've always done it. When not on duty, I'm only a moderator if the discussion fails and I feel they still deserve a ban after hearing their side. 

As for us not being able to ban at all when not on duty, I disagree completely. I don't think we'd be nearly as effective as we are if we weren't able to ban when not on duty. It allows us to be able to keep the server clean and rid it of rulebreakers anytime we are on and available. 
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Witch is has my statement said if your 100% sure then it sould be allowed but if you cant be 100% then it should be a nogo but then again thats just my humble opinion

 
@SGT Ali Well it depends what it is, if there on cop duty and there listed on the staff page and they see someone driving around vdming multiple people or people who are here with a gun and go around shooting, those are pretty clearcut

Recently there has been alot of people duplicating items on the server and we are getting closer to the source, for now all admins are on duty at all times

 
gotta be honest i find the new admin team very affective , more rule breakers are being pretty much banned on the spot in game as there are now eyes everywhere  which is nice , also the report a player section is flowing through like a river and no more massive backlogs,

so i have no issue with an admin banning someone whilst playing the game themselves , after all there in a position of power because they are a trusted member of the community and if and its a big if they are caught abusing that power then they will be dealt with swiftly and accordingly

 
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Wilco said:
@SGT Ali Well it depends what it is, if there on cop duty and there listed on the staff page and they see someone driving around vdming multiple people or people who are here with a gun and go around shooting, those are pretty clearcut

Recently there has been alot of people duplicating items on the server and we are getting closer to the source, for now all admins are on duty at all times
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Am sure that is just what me and Ali means, that clear out things they should just ban instantly to. its more the not clear cases

 
@Wilco @WhoisDan I completely agree with you both. I am just saying that if the said in-game admin is directly involved in the situation for sone reasons that pilatus high lighted. Of course blatant rule breakers should be banned regardless the admin is on official duty or not. I am just talking about when the admin is directly involved with the incident that occured should deal with it as a normal member in my honest opinion. But its just my opinion obviously might be wrong aswell but just my 2 pennies.

 
To be honest 'resolving' with another player is only suitable for certain situations; borderline RDM is the main one IMO. Why shouldn't they be able to ban people, that according to the rules, should be banned anyway.

If they get blatant RDM'd as a cop, then if an admin that was on duty anyway, the player would be banned.

If they get blatant RDM'd as a medic, then if an admin that was on duty anyway, the player would be banned.

If they get blatant RDM'd as a rebel, then if an admin that was on duty anyway, the player would be banned.

If they get blatant RDM'd as a civ, then if an admin that was on duty anyway, the player would be banned.

If they get blatant RDM'd as a ARAC, then if an admin that was on duty anyway, the player would be banned.

If they get blatant RDM'd as a bounty hunter, then if an admin that was on duty anyway, the player would be banned.

It makes the process swifter.

 
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