NHS Medics refusing to revive

[DemonHunter]

So today a medic landed at the bank job when we were in a firefight with police, i simply said you are breaking the rules trying to revive members who are dead and it is still a active firefight, after a bit they left... Later on i ended up dying and i sat there waiting for 20 mins for a medic to revive me, they texted my friend and said they will refuse any aC medic request for now on... Is this even allowed? NHS is a public server and paid by the government, the NHS treats all patients no matter what so is this even remotly allowed? I know the person who refused service and im 100 percent sure he told the other medics not to revive me...

When i did i requested a medic, after 5 mins there was no longer a firefight, after 20 mins i ended up just respawning but it still is somewhat unfair how a NHS said they will refuse to revive me for basically telling them they are breaking the rules, thats like the cops refusing to send someone to jail because they love them so much, its not really fair in the slightest sense of things.

His name is davies, someone should tell him how to be a medic, the medic cannot pick and choose who they revive unless someone is pointing a gun at them... he refused to revive me on the basis that i was mean to him by saying he was breaking the rules

Its not like they didn't know i needed to be revived... they were less then 1000km away from me texting my fellow friends saying that he is refusing to help any aC member out for now on

 

[Gurlanin]

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I'm sure that some higher ranking NHS members will reply more officially soon, once they wake up and see this.

Can I please ask that nobody else comment on this until then? I think we'd all rather get to the bottom of this rather than start a mud slinging contest.

 

[Heatproofsean]

Davies consulted myself before issuing your gang a temporary Do Not Resuscitate order. As the Head of the NHS, I approved based on your gangs actions towards us. He followed the handbook to the letter, and RP'ed the situation out.

You denied treatment to those injured. If a medic wants to revive someone, you have no right to tell them not to. We have a very strict rule book that explains when and where aid can be given. Those that state NHS members will be harmed if they don't leave, or if they provide medical aid will be injured as well, wave their right to be treated also. Yes you can hold us at gunpoint, but we aren't going to willingly be put at gunpoint by anyone.

Most of the time, we will try to help everyone. But let me make this crystal clear...

NHS/Medical treatment is not a right. It's a privilege. If it's too dangerous for us to help, we can't. Those that threaten us one minute then ask to be helped moments later would be questionable personnel. Why would we help those that were going to kill us for coming near? Why wouldn't they force us to do something else at gunpoint as well? 

You can't have it both ways. 

We are nice, neutral people who just want to help everyone. I hope you remember that next time you, or anyone else prevents/threatens NHS from helping people.  

 

[DemonHunter]

The NHS cannot revive under any circumstances in a active firefight which is stated under rule 8b if i am correct, i simply told him to not revive anyone due to that rule while we were at the bank.. its a no no.. What actions did we have toward the NHS if you can tell me because i have never ill willed any NHS medic.... but come to think of it even if you cleared it, it still doesn't negate the fact that how long is temporary? is temp only 10 mins? 15 mins? I sat for 20 mins without anyone telling me anything... The NHS is a PUBLIC service, you all can't really pick and choose who to help and who to not help unless you are directly being told at gunpoint... Also we did not such thing as threaten him in any way, we simply told him off because he was about to break medic rules.... Also when i died i was the only person around for 20 mins, the firefight was LONG over and no one was near me only my brothers in arm

I don't know what your medic told you but i am sure i did not threaten you or prevent you from helping people except if it was when he LANDED in a clear firefight to revive a cop which we killed and no one else was on the hill, instead of talking to him i texted all EMS and simply told him he cannot revive anyone at the bank as it is still a firefight going on

8B) If attending to a crime consult with the nearest police officer, if all the police are dead and there are gang members or rebels present and they shout out "Medic Rule B - DO NOT REVIVE" then please accept that request and leave the area asap.

He left, but then said he will not help us for treating him badly, we did no such thing, we simply told him the rules of being a medic... I then sat around 20 mins in a field waiting for someone to come which no one actually did.

The medic is a public service, so actually the people of altis DO have a right to be treated, we do not pay you, the government pays you and you can't decide who to help or who to not help when we decide to call your medic out on rule breaking, also i never said i was going to kill him in any way or shape, i will gladly even show you the messages if i could, if anything he chose to lie about what we did because he simply didn't want us to be revived since we called him out on rule breakage

 

[puppy1004]

Look, IF THE BLOODY POLICE TELLS THEM NOT TO REVIVE, THEY DONT! Sorry for caps but thats the only way you are willing to listen.

 

[Heatproofsean]

The Post Office and your GP are government ran services that you have a right to. If you tell them to fuck off or I'l shoot you for example, do you expect them them to provide you that service 5min later?

You should of seen the little notices in windows that state something like "Our staff treat you with respect and manners when aiding you. The staff here are entitled to that as well. Anyone subjecting them to any form of abuse or violence will be asked to leave".

But as I said, Medic's know the rules around when they can revive. And in fact there are situations, especially at the bank where they can revive while a firelight is happening. And a temporary DNR order would apply to the most recent situation. waiting 20min wont change that. 

This is the first time I'm aware of that a DNR order has been issued by the NHS. And unless you have evidence that can back your claims of what was said, I consider the matter closed. I've explained why you were not revived, and that it's the medics who know what they can do in any given situation.

In future, if you see something you think is wrong, question them politely. If you still believe it's wrong, record it/take screenshots and pass them to myself.

But if you violently force them to leave, don't expect our help 5min later. 

On a side note, there are some simple changes that will prevent this from happening in the future once they are discussed with the admin and dev team. *hint hint nudge nudge*

 

[lionel]

4*hint hint nudge nudge*

There i Fixed it for you

 

[blaze1981]

the trouble is a lot of the time if a cop tells a medic not to revive a rebel they dont which is fair enough but when its the other way around the medics do quite often still revive the police even if the fight is still on going which puts cops at an unfair advantage

 

[Doohicky]

the trouble is a lot of the time if a cop tells a medic not to revive a rebel they dont which is fair enough but when its the other way around the medics do quite often still revive the police even if the fight is still on going which puts cops at an unfair advantage

Funny you say that... A few weeks ago I was pursuing a couple of ifrits when we managed to spike strip 1, and kill the person that got out. We kept our distance because of the other ifrit, yet a medic came up and revived the guy by the first ifrit, who later killed me.

I don't remember who the medic was as this was weeks ago and I just brushed it off, but what you are saying happens on both sides.  I've also had medics walk up to my corpse during a bank op and just stare at me while a rebel made his way to me and took my guns.

Just sayin'

 

[Lexi]

I can never understand the idiots who kill the medics... they are literally an impartial service who (most of the time) are pretty funny guys. Why some morons choose to shoot unarmed civs I'll never understand. 

 

[Heatproofsean]

 I've also had medics walk up to my corpse during a bank op and just stare at me while a rebel made his way to me and took my guns.

probably that there was still gunfire so you were not able to be revived. 

or more likely, that rebel who stole your guns stopped the medic from providing aid.