Never ending battle

[Riku]

Police is always whining about rebels dont rp, but cops are the same. This is never going to be better, never. I have realized that. 

Everybody is ruleplaying instead of roleplaying that is how things is here and its not going to change I had a hope that its maybe going to change but my hope is gone now. 

 I was speaking with fuel and he totally didnt agree that one police officer did wrong when he didnt roleplay anything it was totally fine for fuel that he was "ruleplaying" .

Im very disappointed how my conversation with fuel did go. But I can see why he didn't want to agree that the police didnt do anything wrong that its ok in all means to do that what he did. because fuel is friends with the police who was in this sitsuation. Fuel, you are probably going to deny that you did this but its my mistake that I didnt record our conversation.

 I love the idea of roleplaying but its very hard to make it true when its based on war game. 

If you really want something to change here should be more strict rules about roleplaying. 

This is my option and everybody have theirs.

edit: There is many good police officers who roleplay instead of ruleplaying but when there is many police officer who doesnt. Same thing in rebel side.

-Riku

 

[Kakujaa]

There was a huge discussion yesterday about this. You should add to that instead of starting another one.

 

[Riku]

There was a huge discussion yesterday about this. You should add to that instead of starting another one.

Already done. So its hard to undone it

 

[Kakujaa]

Already done. So its hard to undone it

You can undo* it by editing it and posting this on the other topic named "call this a rant if you like" but of course its up to you just thought it would make things a bit easier.

 

[Professor bobmarley]

During my time as a student and PCSO/CSO I was told that role play is only good if it is fun for both parties involved, if the role play is one sided and not fun for the other person it is not a good role play situation. I also tell this to students and blueberries that if the other people isn't in the mood for to take part in role play to just let it go and move on as it won't be fun for them as well as yourselves. 

The reason why I enjoy patrolling with great role players such maratek, Walts, -AJ- ect is not only to learn from them but their ability to make role play immensely enjoyable for everyone involved. 

 

[Riku]

During my time as a student and PCSO/CSO I was told that role play is only good if it is fun for both parties involved, if the role play is one sided and not fun for the other person it is not a good role play situation. I also tell this to students and blueberries that if the other people isn't in the mood for to take part in role play to just let it go and move on as it won't be fun for them as well as yourselves. 

The reason why I enjoy patrolling with great role players such maratek, Walts, -AJ- ect is not only to learn from them but their ability to make role play immensely enjoyable for everyone involved. 

Yes, but in one sitsuation high rank it was CI or something killed me and my friend without saying anything. I did make clear to him that im not going to hurt him I only want to have a chat.

I know that there is good cops and unfortunately bad cops, same thing in rebel side. The thing here is that everybody is whining about it, but there is never ending to that. Most of the players are ruleplaying. This is a war game and they enjoy shooting and getting into fights. When the roleplay has been initiate they will take the shot. 

Im just pissed because this is what has happened to me lately a very often and then I see both sides of this server whining to each other.

Only way to fix this is that there should be more strict rules about roleplaying.

 

[Salty]

Im always in for a bit of bants and RP , but in the end of the day im still a rebel , and dont wanna go to jail , so i tell them to let me go or they get shot , then we end up in a firefight and sometimes we win sometimes we dont , but we the rebels get blamed for bad RP , in the end of the day we are bad guys , and dont wanna go to jail , if you want to RP , dont look for gettinf shot , if you run around kavala with a pistol robbing and killing everyone on your path they wont rp , when your doing a weed run with guys running around with big guns they wont rp , when you try to RP , make yourself look non-hostile to the police.

Did my word.

 

[Pvt Lharmon]

Or everyone should learn for the wonderful ways on the nhs rp

 

[Ali E]

As Gc we took Walt as hostage the other day. Police shot at us while we were moving him but we didnt shoot 1 bullet because we wanted to try something different with full RP. it was going good and Walt was enjoying it aswell. İ didnt asked for any money or any item because i wanted to try something different. And i asked that a high ranked police officer make a public speech and apologise from rebels and hobos for their disrespectful attitude. But he checked with his higher up and instead of making a good RP situation better they said you are surrounded put down your weapons or die. i mean come on after that situation how can i ask my gang to trust the force and negotiate ever again? And youre going to say "its not whole the force " but the order given by a Ci and low ranks look upto high ranks and learn from them. This is all i am going to say.

 

[Thesoldier]

I get where the rebels come from, and if someone wants to RP, we should be rewarding RP.

I've looked/done other alternative ways to punish criminals who wanted to RP. We held a public tribunal the other day for RyanDunne and the people of Kavala found him guilty of a multitude of crimes. His punishment was a public spanking, and public shaming in town square.

Funny thing he spent 30-35 minutes roleplaying, instead of the 15 minutes he would have just spent in prison. So technically it was a longer, and in my opinion more of a harsh punishment even though it was fun.

 

[Fuel]

Mr Riku,

The situation you are referring too is you landing a helicopter next too officers and then threatening them and even counting down, as you landed one of the officers said "Sir" which you can hear in the background, but then you initiated hostile acts, ie seriously threatening them, and you gave them a very short period to react.

The officer in question is my friend yes, does that effect my judgement no it does not in the slightest.

If you new me at all you would know that whether they are a friend or not if they break rules they break rules, you are merely upset because the officers did not do what you said, YOU initiated the hostile RP by threatening them and counting down giving them a time frame to save their own life.

RP is Role Play, not do whatever we say play.

If you wanted to chat to the officers how about lower you're weapons and try to talk to them, then they would of reciprocated, what you did was provoking and life threatening acts, CI ziN responded in kind and you lost you life.

A lesson for you, if you want to talk don't point a gun at an officers head and start counting.

Here is the video that you sent me, don't bring my integrity into question again please.

Regards

CSI Fuel

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[Riku]

Mr Riku,

The situation you are referring too is you landing a helicopter next too officers and then threatening them and even counting down, as you landed one of the officers said "Sir" which you can hear in the background, but then you initiated hostile acts, ie seriously threatening them, and you gave them a very short period to react.

The officer in question is my friend yes, does that effect my judgement no it does not in the slightest.

If you new me at all you would know that whether they are a friend or not if they break rules they break rules, you are merely upset because the officers did not do what you said, YOU initiated the hostile RP by threatening them and counting down giving them a time frame to save their own life.

RP is Role Play, not do whatever we say play.

If you wanted to chat to the officers how about lower you're weapons and try to talk to them, then they would of reciprocated, what you did was provoking and life threatening acts, CI ziN responded in kind and you lost you life.

A lesson for you, if you want to talk don't point a gun at an officers head and start counting.

Here is the video that you sent me, don't bring my integrity into question again please.

Regards

CSI Fuel

I didn't say in my post that he did broke the rules. Otherwise I'd make report post about it. Actually I have saw police making report posts about that, example at weed processor after cops initiate roleplay and rebels killed them without saying anything. So stop whining about lack of rp when rebels do the same thing to you.

My point is that if you police come at me guns on their hands I take that as a threat and bullets will talk instead of my mouth.

 

[Cuthbert Lansbury]

Yes, but in one sitsuation high rank it was CI or something killed me and my friend without saying anything. I did make clear to him that im not going to hurt him I only want to have a chat.

You spent the majority of that video with your gun pointed at him and then started to count down. "put it down 1 - 2 - do it...please..."  If you want better RP from the Police then perhaps you should look at how you conduct yourself around them. For example...If you just wanted to talk, why didn't you holster your weapons the moment you got out of the Helicopter?

 

[Riku]

You spent the majority of that video with your gun pointed at him and then started to count down. "put it down 1 - 2 - do it...please..."  If you want better RP from the Police then perhaps you should look at how you conduct yourself around them. For example...If you just wanted to talk, why didn't you holster your weapons the moment you got out of the Helicopter?

We wanted to save the guy who was going to jail probably and without guns that'd be a bit hard. Yes, maybe we should approach difference when we came, but I told him twice that we only want to have chat. Most sad thing is that before we started to count down, there was like 10 seconds time to say something to us before we started to counting.

edit: Tell me your option is it fun if/when you are arresting rebel, rebel have a gun on him and you tell him to drop his gun after that he turns and kills you without saying a word. What is your thoughts about that?

 

[Jerome Winters]

If you wanted to talk why did you aim your gun at them. And why did you start being hostile then.

 

[Riku]

If you wanted to talk why did you aim your gun at them. And why did you start being hostile then.

Didn't want to take risk to get arrested, because we landed to weed field.

 

[Cuthbert Lansbury]

We wanted to save the guy who was going to jail probably and without guns that'd be a bit hard. Yes, maybe we should approach difference when we came, but I told him twice that we only want to have chat. Most sad thing is that before we started to count down, there was like 10 seconds time to say something to us before we started to counting.

So you were essentially looking to do a jailbreak? By your own admission, doing this without guns would be a bit hard.....so would that then mean you were willing to kill officers if they stood in your way?

Sure you told him that you only wanted to talk....but you kept the gun trained on him. Would you lower your weapon if someone said they only wanted to talk whilst they kept aiming at you? Let's be honest here, nobody would lower their weapon unless there life really depended on it. You started to count down and Zin valued his life by killing you before you could kill him. 

As it has already been pointed out, an officer did try to communicate at the start of the video, and again let's be honest, it's a bit hard to communicate properly whilst a chopper is spooling down.

It's the same old story, people get killed, they get salty, they complain about it. In reality though, would you have done anything different if the roles were reversed? Instead of trying to blame others for your poor judgement of a situation, ask yourself if you could have done anything different to prevent that outcome.

 

[Ali E]

Riku as a rebel you shouldnt be pointing Fuel to do a mistake. Because i have had chat with him after the incident i explained and he made sense to me and talked wisely. This is our problem not as rebels not as police as humans we always try to find someone guilty and not ourselves. We are all guilty in this police vs rebel thing and we all know it we just cant admit it. The situation i explained rp ed poorly by police but they may thought that we wanted a fight as Gc fights with police all the time. As you can see it is vica versa. And Thesoldier yes there are people like you however youre not online 7/24. And some cops dont do what you casually do. And rebels always looking for a fight with cops. This problem cannot be solved until the "rotten apples" from both sides gets educated in RP. İ am not good at typing english so i hope i made my point.

 

[zaF]