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My issue with the way some bans are given and how i feel it should be handled

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JamieC

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Sorry for writing a short essay on this I am just very passionate about video games

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I am going to link a clip of one of my bans, I did not want to have to post this on  the forums but I feel compelled because of the way it was handled and how since then I've had friends been given warnings for similar acts. Me and my friends were being payed to kidnap officers, we ran upon these 3 and proceeded to yell at them to drop their weapons and things of that nature. I was as loud as i could be and i covered as much ground as i could closing into the officer. I am first sure I've contacted him at 29 seconds, he looks at me, sees my rifle pointing and at the very least hears faint commands, the officer beside him values his life and does not move and does not draw a weapon, the officer before me does draw a weapon, he takes it off of his back so he did look at me and click that is sure, by that point I should not be expected to give him more time, I'm all for giving time for people to obey commands as you can see we give the other 2 officers plenty of time to head the commands and surrender their weapons, upward of 15 to 20 seconds, the officer I shot however did not even make an attempt to value his life or comply, even if he some how did not hear my specific commands he at the very least should have realised that drawing a weapon on me at that moment was a death sentence, what am i to do? Just stand there barking orders while giving him 5 seconds, I'm fine with giving someone who isn't presenting at me time to comply but you cannot expect me to ignore the fact he looks at me then takes the rifle off his back and tries to re position, he wasn't going to comply and that is why he was shot.

At one point when i was arguing against my ban they brought up that it was an animation, if you look he was out of the vehicle for some time and the automatic animation for holstered weapons does not make them removed it from their back and present it forward. Also if you look at about 47 seconds in the last officer drops his rifle and as such the animation automatically drew his pistol, rather than shooting him i hold because i know he's trying to comply, he turns away from us and drops it. The first officer does not turn away he draws, presents and re positions while looking at me. The two officers that complied were kid napped and we Had a great rp with them, it was an exciting moment and it was cut short when I was banned mid way through the drive. 

We were payed £750k for the officers but we could of potentially got £1mil, I tried to give him the full chance to comply but he just would not, some people may say i didn't give them enough dialogue but tell me, we have one cop at one side of the road to subdue while two on the opposite side all the while a helicopter is near by with rotors spinning, the best and most effective method to engage them in this RP scenario is to make the threat and have them restrained, if i did not do what i did this would of just been another incident of a gang shooting up a cop patrol but I prevented it from becoming that by effectively coordinating the capture to the best of my ability. Every other cop complied even the one further back from him stood and headed the instructions.

I was not called on teamspeak, I didn't even think this was the reason i was banned i assumed it had to of been something from hours or even days ago but i was mistaken. I said to the guy something to the tune of "hey so i was banned just there, I'm not really sure why so i wanted to ask first so I dont look like that guy on the forums going 'I DID NIFFIN WRONG ADMIN ABUUUSE'". He said something like "yip you picked the wrong guy to RDM buddy" and explained it was him that i shot, he claimed that i just rolled up and shot at him and his officers with no warning and no attempt to engage them in RP and that is why i was swiftly banned. I told him I have the video and I'll upload it and me and him can watch it together and sort it out between ourselves because I genuinely didn't want to make this much of a fuss out of it. When I uploaded and showed him that i did speak in direct, i was in audible range and that him drawing his rifle was not some automatic animation he couldn't control he dismissed it and so did the staff member above him. 

I asked to speak with the staff member in question but I don't want to name names because this isn't me trying to do some witch hunt to have people removed. He heard my case and after 10-15 minutes of discussing it he said something (I am loosely quoting) "I've had to really try to justify this ban and i am less than 50% sure that it was fair" He also said to the officer in question (again loosely quoting i don't record ts convos because i dont want to make people uncomfortable when talking to me) "I have doubts that you did not hear him at that range even if there was an orca near by". My ban was lifted within the minute and I was content at the time, i wasn't going to demand an apology but what I would like to see is bans being handled gentler. I was in the middle of the situation, I missed out on the best part of the night my group had because I was banned mid situation, i missed out on my cut for the mission and I was not even requested to come to teamspeak to justify anything before the ban was given. It put a real downer on my night and it does put me off of RP servers, I am all for the RP but there's RP and there is just letting someone ignore and kill me for fear of a ban.

If you look on my channel I posted the last Life server i played on, payed $30 to get in and it seemed cool had played it for a couple of weeks then a police officer tried to taze me at 25+ meters with a semi automatic tazer that had a 3 round magazine and banned me for fail RP because "you wouldn't zig zag in real life". Like i said I'm all for RP but you have to draw a line and be reasonable and at the very least have the situation vetted by a non involved member of staff or even call them onto ts before giving out the ban mid situation unless you believe them to be hacking or mass RDM'ing of VDM'ing, you can't give compensation for those great moments stolen from you by hastily given bans 

I would like to hear your feedback but i want to stress this is not me having a go at any staff, admin or player I just want you to read and take it into consideration as i feel players like me would have a richer experience in the community if we feel that we can play while adhering to the rules and know that we wont be ripped from the situation without a run down. after all it's the community that makes an arma RP server, you cannot have role play without players feeling engaged in the situation 

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Great video

Edit: Don't have time to read the essay but I think the vid was fine

 
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Like Benny said its a nice video i cant see whats wrong with it, altough i didnt read the text will do later but vid looks fine imo.

 
If an admin is involved in a rule break situation they shouldn't be aloud to take action. They should report it and leave it for another admin. If you're playing civ then you are a civ.

Also not bashing the admins at all I think the admins do a great job and the new staff they just added are great towards the server, there have been many times where a guy is breaking rules an admin comes out and swoops him away. They work great but like i said they shouldn't be aloud to handle situations that they are apart of.

To add to the video: I HATE it when people turn around and say "but you didn't say you was going to kill us all you said was "on the ground drop the guns" if there are 6 guys pointing guns towards you shouting commands then use conman sense and and do what they ask you to do.

 
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Exactly bobby because either way if i say that they have a kill reason on me as it stands so what am i supposed to do, I was visibly armed and barked my commands there is little else that can be done to take the situation 

 
@Sycorax Can i just say you are the best person to capture, you follow orders and from what my guys tell me you guys had some good banter on the way to the exchange 

 
After skimming over the text, it's disgraceful how you've been handled in this situation. You're initiation and demands were clear and you were keeping with being a rebel in RP.

The officer who obviously got his gun out, started moving around and pointing it your way was going to shoot you and should be punished for lack of value of life in that situation.

The question is... Who's the admin doing a below minimum job? And I hope stuff like this never happens again otherwise it's all going downhill.

 
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looks fine to me , plenty of warning given , cop decides to try and make a play and gets killed , how anyone could even consider that rdm make me wonder to be honest 

 
Thank you I really appreciate the sentiment, I knew i was in the right and when the 2nd admin told me I was in the wrong I knew i had to plead my case to him, I was so happy when he finally said he was less than 50% sure the ban was fair, I don't want them in trouble or anything but i would like if someone could make them aware of being impartial in future. While I do believe my video more than 100% absolves me i am grateful that he at least saw I was more than likely right. The officer who was killed however did not feel that justice was served 

 
Multiple armed rebels get out vehicle are aggressive and threatening with weapons pointed at the officers

Said rebels issue commands multiple times

Police officer pulls out weapon

Officer gets shot dead

Problems = 0

In my opinion no one should have been banned as it was clearly not RDM, the officer made a bad decision and paid with his life, it happens, its a game, if anyone should have been reprimanded it would be the officer for drawing a firearm outmanned and outgunned.

 
Wow I am overwhelmed with the responses you guys have given, I do not record teamspeak conversations not even with shadow play in these situations because I feel it doesn't allow people to be comfortable in handling a situation however if you had heard what the accuser and the staff member above him viewed of the situation you would think i was trying  to negotiate the release of Guantanamo detainees, the respond you guys give me is so clear cut but to them it was like climbing with roller skates 

 
Hello.

I appreciate the way you have went about this case and decided not to be hostile or aggressive in the situation you have taken it on the chin and been an adult about it, thank you.

We have just received a number of Staff coming from Support, helping people on teamspeak to dealing with stuff in game is a big step and difference. I have watched the video and believe in a sense it is fine, however maybe repeating the same thing was a bit OTT?

I will be speaking to the staff member about this situation shortly, However these new Staff are learning how to handle situations and using their own discretion and knowledge of when to ban someone or how to resolve it. 

I 100% agree that If any Staff member was directly involved in a situation which is questionable they should be going about it like any other community member and trying to resolve and if all fails a forum report. The only expectation for this would be a clear cut non questionable ban (VDM, GZ RDMing, ect)

If you are available later I would like more details on this in teamspeak. I will also speak to the staff member involved.

- Staff Lead, Drew.

 
I would be over the moon to discuss this with you guys, I'll just chill on the teamspeak my name on it will be Jamie, any time you want feel free to drag me and like i say I get it new staff and I don't want everyone to think that this server is somewhere unfair 

 
Mistakes happen, however the way you @JamieC have responded to what you thought was a wrong course of action, and how it's been received by the staff team is a refreshing change of pace from the usual 'issue with bans' posts. Maybe a bit long, but it conveyed all appropriate detail, included video of the incident helps sum everything up.

It's a pity you didnt get to experience the rest of your scenario with the rest of your gang, but I hope it doesnt dissuade you from further RP, and with everyones views on the video - at least you know you didn't do anything wrong.

Good job, and congrats on not blowing up and handling it maturely!

 
Incredible handling of this situation mate - wish more people did things like this. You don't need another guy telling you how it's not RDM - so I'll comment that instead. Honestly, massive props to you *tips fedora*

 
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