Multiple Player Report -RDM/MetaGame/NLR

[Thamisqbil]

Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name): Multiple Player Report:

Cp. Irish [uNMC]
Pfc. AnderJ [uNMC]
Pfc .Ben [uNMC]


Time & Date this happened: 20/03/2015 18:40 PM UK time.

Which Server did this happen on: #1

Description of what happened: Me and my friend spotted a HemTT box at the
Salt Processor, so we decided to go and camp the Salt trader. We waited
roughly 13 minutes until he arrived. My friend came behind the person
while he was selling the salt, he told him to put his hands up, he began
to turn so my friend shot him dead as he was armed.
Roughly 5 minutes later, a Humming Bird came rushing in ( clearly from the
call from his friend that just got killed because he died too fast for them
to realise that he had been killed, they were nowhere near the location as I was
scouting out, and they could not of seen him die as they were in a building,
they could have seen the HemTT box being lock picked, as I'm sure somoene would
claim, but even so it is no excuse) landing very quickly, and began to fire at the

 HemTT box that my friend had entered once he had lock picked it.

This was clearly either a Metagame or RDM.
So I began to shoot, and managed to kill one player : Pfc. AnderJ [uNMC].
The 2nd passenger escaped and flanked all the way around. After around 7minutes
of hunting him down, he came round the back, I spotted him and told my friend,
but once I aimed my sights down, he had shot him dead, in doing so I also
killed him : Pfc .Ben [uNMC].
I headed towards the HemTT box and began to lock pick it, it broke 3 times,
and on the 4th attempt, I heared a vehicle approaching, so I stopped
lock picking. He saw me, so I went to a nearby bush and took cover.
I then used the hexagon spotter and his tag was [uNMC] (Different player).
I then moved into the closest building, and stayed there for a few minutes,
I then heared some Police sirens, and a few seconds later shots towards them.
The kill feed shows that the players that were there ( where I was, shown in photo's
and video ) and that they had returned ( 15 minutes or not, they had died and still
returned during the robbery as well as them ''Remembering'' where they had last died as well
as them attempting to claim back the hemtt box or revenge kill)
They killed all the cops, then soon after Irish ( the 'Very' first person that had
got killed, the owner of the vehicle ) came rushing up the stairs and shot me
dead. Now this was either a RDM or Revenge kill, but clearly NLR broken as
He had already died, and he could not of returned of course.

What Rule Was Broken ?: Metagaming--RDM (as the humming bird players came in shooting to
kill, either that or its metagaming, in addition to the other claims such as the person who had killed me)
and NLR ( During the robbery and all 3 players returned as well as the person who had killed me)

Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?: I posted a messege in Side chat, yet it was ignored.

Please post video evidence/screenshots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence, If your
report is about RDM then it must be a video leading upto the RDM and after)

Main part


Part where I die a person that should have been dead.


In addition to this video, if he came up shooting at me, that is classified as RDM, I only returned fire because I knew he was there to kill me, but in a real circumstance, he would not be alive. So that still goes back to the NLR rule.

Picture evidence of player names.

http://postimg.org/image/9bgqwvzht/

http://postimg.org/image/kkqb4mbw5/

http://postimg.org/image/gb3wclru9/

I have been told by several people to not post this as nothing will happen because they are the UNMC, but out of human decency I had to post this topic as I could not of left this unturned, now I am certain that at least 1 rule was broken, and if not, how can a person get killed, then once he is dead, 30 or so minutes later kill me? It makes no sense. So if proper RP is to be used, I should not have to kill the same person twice.

I'm not Butthurt or so to speak about dying to the same person that was just killed, its just that I feel I should not of lost the fight neither my gear or the loot as it was not necessary and I most certainly am not happy with how the UNMC treated this situation.

You could argue that the helicopter that flew down and began to shoot was in self defence because of the HemTT box being lock picked, and they knew he was doing a salt run, but even after all that, I should not of been killed by the person that was just killed by my friend.

Edit: With all due respect to all the other admins, I would like Wilco to sort this one out please.

Thanks

Tham

 

[Andrej]

We got called in that one of our guys is being robbed at the salt trader,we came there in less than 3 minutes and you were lockpicking his HEMTT. Thats a good enough reason to asume you were the guy who killed him,and since you already killed one of ours,you already started the RP. Plus,we didnt even land yet when you told us to leave,there is even one more reason to asume it was you. 

As soon as i jumped out,i got killed and i never returned. So why exactly am i in the report? Did i RDM you? Or when exactly did i break NLR? How was it metagaming,you killed one of ours and as we were coming there for backup you were lockpicking his truck?

This is all i got to say.

 

[Thamisqbil]

We got called in that one of our guys is being robbed at the salt trader,we came there in less than 3 minutes and you were lockpicking his HEMTT. Thats a good enough reason to asume you were the guy who killed him,and since you already killed one of ours,you already started the RP. Plus,we didnt even land yet when you told us to leave,there is even one more reason to asume it was you. 

As soon as i jumped out,i got killed and i never returned. So why exactly am i in the report? Did i RDM you? Or when exactly did i break NLR? How was it metagaming,you killed one of ours and as we were coming there for backup you were lockpicking his truck?

This is all i got to say.

He died too quickly to even radio in. So yes that was Metagame.

Edit: Also I were not lock picking it, and who called you to the location ? Irish I assume as he was the only person on the scene. Nobody else came to help so if someone calls that out I'll call it a lie until I see proof.

 

[Andrej]

He died too quickly to even radio in. So yes that was Metagame.

5 seconds passed between you telling him to put his hands up and killing him,i dont know about you but normal people dont need more than 5 seconds to call in for backup. 

 

[Thamisqbil]

5 seconds passed between you telling him to put his hands up and killing him,i dont know about you but normal people dont need more than 5 seconds to call in for backup. 

Lets be honest here, do you really think he was able to call for back up within a few seconds? Lets be real man -.-

 

[Andrej]

Lets be honest here, do you really think he was able to call for back up within a few seconds? Lets be real man -.-

You told him to put his hands up, after you say that he will radio it in and we were on the way there. Not alot of people do salt,and since we arived there in less than 3 minutes,every sane person would asume you were the one who killed our friend,since you were even lockpicking the HEMTT as we were ariving there (lights were still flickering and the alarm was still on) so we had all the reason to shoot you on sight,but before we even landed you told us to leave and then drove of (you started the RP again).

If anyone was metagaming,it was you or your friend,whoever was filming this,as he used the metagame key on the heli and told the other guy UNMC was coming. 

 

[Thamisqbil]

You told him to put his hands up, after you say that he will radio it in and we were on the way there. Not alot of people do salt,and since we arived there in less than 3 minutes,every sane person would asume you were the one who killed our friend,since you were even lockpicking the HEMTT as we were ariving there (lights were still flickering and the alarm was still on) so we had all the reason to shoot you on sight,but before we even landed you told us to leave and then drove of (you started the RP again).

If anyone was metagaming,it was you or your friend,whoever was filming this,as he used the metagame key on the heli and told the other guy UNMC was coming. 

It was clear that it was the same persons gang as how you rushed in. He told him to put his hands up and he did not, instead within a second he turned to towards him, there is no way he could have used his radio within that space of time. I am the filmer and I did not use the metagame key for in game use but rather for future usage such as this report. 

I have no gain from knowing your name at that point in time, as far as I can see it, your just another player, landing to kill.

Also I'm English, not Bulgarian, so why would you think I was the one lock picking?

 

[Andrej]

Also I'm English, not Bulgarian, so why would you think I was the one lock picking?

??

 

[Thamisqbil]

??

I just assumed you knew xD

The recording system that I use cannot record my voice, only on push button, which is bound to direct communication. Thats why you cannot hear me.

 

[Thamisqbil]

In addition, all three of you broke NLR as you all returned.

 

[Khandamir]

Also I'm English, not Bulgarian, so why would you think I was the one lock picking?

Really? Would you please refrain from using racist quotes about East-European people, we do not appreciate that here no matter how it is meant. If you wanna tell racist jokes, do it in a private environment with people you know who don't mind or who can see the fun in it. Public forums are a bad place for that.

Kind regards,

Khandamir, ALUK Server mentor

 

[Thamisqbil]

Really? Would you please refrain from using racist quotes about East-European people, we do not appreciate that here no matter how it is meant. If you wanna tell racist jokes, do it in a private environment with people you know who don't mind or who can see the fun in it. Public forums are a bad place for that.

Kind regards,

Khandamir, ALUK Server mentor

He is a good friend of mine, I just assumed he knew who was talking, and that I was not talking or lock picking,  it was not intended for any racism. If you think this, then that is your personal opinion.

 

[Thamisqbil]

Khandamir, ALUK Server mentor

I assume you posted that comment because you took offense that I wanted Wilco to resolve the situation. I intended no harm, I just wanted to hear it from Wilco, thats all.

 

[Ben_Banned]

I didn't even know this report was here until I was told just now.

I will explain the chain of events

I was in base and Irish called in on Teamspeak that he was being robbed at the Salt Trader, I instantly pull out a Hummingbird as Irish is killed, I then head down to the Salt Trader with Andrej in my Hummingbird to find a hemmt box truck being lockpicked, as we were landing you told us to leave we jumped out of the helicopter and ran into positions, Andrej died and I flanked around and waited in a fresh position I killed one guy near the hemmt box then died to his friend after that I know Irish was off new life rule so went back himself with Lenny.

 

[Khandamir]

I assume you posted that comment because you took offense that I wanted Wilco to resolve the situation. I intended no harm, I just wanted to hear it from Wilco, thats all.

I am baffled by this. I made this comment because I am a server mentor and I am tasked with keeping the team-speak and if possible, forums, clean of harmful content. Your remark about Bulgarians as considered harmful content by me and therefore replied to from the position as server mentor.

I don't know why you would assume I took offence that you wanted Wilco to solve this, I quite frankly couldn't care less who you WANT so solve this, it is a player report and thus a admin case. I am just here because of your sad and insulting remark. Maybe you have the wrong impression that I only reply because I was once a member of the UNMC and this concerns them, but then you are wrong. I have left that faction and will not be biased in any situation.

Please think about the way you are presenting yourself on the forum sir, for at the moment, you are not leaving a very solid impression, at least not to me. Your account was forum banned for 3 days and you are back and immediately begin with insulting/racist remarks and try to start a argument about what you suspect my motives are. Not a very smart way to go, especially when your argument contains no substance and has no value.

Kind regards,

Khandamir, ALUK server mentor

 

[Thamisqbil]

With all due respect, I did not intend for you to believe I said that in that way. I was not intended in any way shape or form to be racist. I am good friends with him, so why would I be racist? 

Also I was only curious to why you claimed I was racist by re correcting the other player that I was not lock picking, and that I was filming. 

 

[Thamisqbil]

I didn't even know this report was here until I was told just now.

I will explain the chain of events

I was in base and Irish called in on Teamspeak that he was being robbed at the Salt Trader, I instantly pull out a Hummingbird as Irish is killed, I then head down to the Salt Trader with Andrej in my Hummingbird to find a hemmt box truck being lockpicked, as we were landing you told us to leave we jumped out of the helicopter and ran into positions, Andrej died and I flanked around and waited in a fresh position I killed one guy near the hemmt box then died to his friend after that I know Irish was off new life rule so went back himself with Lenny.

I see where you are coming from, if say it was possible to radio on TS with that speed, it still does not compensate with breaking NLR.

 

[Khandamir]

With all due respect, I did not intend for you to believe I said that in that way. I was not intended in any way shape or form to be racist. I am good friends with him, so why would I be racist? 

Also I was only curious to why you claimed I was racist by re correcting the other player that I was not lock picking, and that I was filming. 

Well, maybe you need to view it from our perspective. We do not know if you are playing with Bulgarian lads, or not. The only thing we see is:

I am English not Bulgarian, so why would you think I was stealing the car?

And to me, that implies: All Bulgarians are car-thiefs, and since I am English, why would I be stealing the car?

Consider it a warning, I do not feel like going into debate with you any further. I have said my part and to be honest, you do not even seem to understand why I feel your remark is racist without me explaining how and why, which makes me even less inclined to talk about this further. The rest of this report is in the hands of the admins, as per usual.

 

[Thamisqbil]

Ok, it was interesting hearing it from you, thank you for you understanding, the sentence just probably looked really offensive, yet I meant no harm. I apologise if you took any offence with anything I said.