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Mosh vs Mitch and Lexi.

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Mosh

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Last night (12.12.), players Mitch and Lexi claimed they were ordered by police officers to use lethal force against other players. If this is indeed the case, there is a clear breach in rules:

"Weapons = Firearms purchased from the gun store are legal with a valid gun licence, Weapons from rebel outposts/donator shops are illegal. [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]PDW's Are allowed for people in possession of a Bounty Hunter's License [/SIZE](Altis Police Law) as they fire rubber bullets only."

According to the player Mitch, we were shot at with an illegal weapon he had acquired the previous day from players he had killed the previous day. They were not bounty hunters nor were they using recognizable uniform.

The police are therefore collaborating with players in possession of illegal weapons. 

The fact Mitch engaged us in RDM before any of these events unfolding is a different matter in itself. I would however like to know how it is possible for some players to act as police officers without actually being police? Surely this is a task fulfilled by the existence of bounty hunters?

 
Are group have encountered Mitch and Lexi whilst engaged with a diamond miner were we all shot with no RP. It seemed they were acting as a private security which allows them it seems to freely shoot any rebels going near civs with no Rp .So in future if you see them just shoot them first as you won`t get any RP until your dead.

 
This is a bit of a shady situation here.

No doubt Mitch is an excellent RP'er (can't comment about Lexi because I never had the honour to RP with her). However, having 'Rebels' with illegal weapons collaborating with the Police by shooting and possibly killing the people who are being chased by the police is somewhat strange. I believe this should be something which is left to an Offical, Whitelisted PMC team (something which is still lacking).

Due to this, I feel that when rebels are to collaborate with Police as 'undercover informants' or 'paid collaborators' there should be the following:
 

- No use of illegal weapons

- Use of non-lethal force (e.g. use of spike strips borrowed from the police to take down cars, use of zipties and knock-out to restrain people and take to police, use of the mobile phone to tip-off the police).

I do feel that, being shot by someone who is a rebel, then claiming to be helping the Police is a trend which could be worrying. 

All this is said in view of the backstory of our beloved community - Rebels vs Police, Freedom vs Oppression, UNMC/Rebel allies vs Government entities.

 
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This is a bit of a shady situation here.

No doubt Mitch is an excellent RP'er (can't comment about Lexi because I never had the honour to RP with her). However, having 'Rebels' with illegal weapons collaborating with the Police by shooting and possibly killing the people who are being chased by the police is somewhat strange. I believe this should be something which is left to an Offical PMC team (something which is still lacking).

Due to this, I feel that when rebels are to collaborate with Police as 'undercover informants' or 'paid collaborators' there should be the following:
 

- No use of illegal weapons

- Use of non-lethal force (e.g. use of spike strips borrowed from the police to take down cars, use of zipties and knock-out to restrain people and take to police, use of the mobile phone to tip-off the police).

I do feel that, being shot by someone who is a rebel, then claiming to be helping the Police is a trend which could be worrying. 

All this is said in view of the backstory of our beloved community - Rebels vs Police, Freedom vs Oppression, UNMC/Rebel allies vs Government entities.

 
Exactly. If you can RP some sort of "private security" firm, does that leave the door open for gangs that play terrorists? That would allow for gangs to kill people only for the RP of "causing fear". 

 
I'm sorry how is this a police issue at all?

You're going off the word of somebody who killed you, you have provided no evidence other than their word and you have posted this in the wrong section of the forum as somebody killing you "in the name of the police" is not a police issue.

Unless both sides want to come forward with evidence that there was police involvement and the officers involved provide their side, this is in the wrong forum section.

Edit: Holy crap guys, press "post" once, stop spamming it.

 
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To my understanding the Police did not ask for help. Mitch and Lexi simply saw an Officer in danger and decided to take that matter into there own hands. In my opinion I dont think that is a problem and I greatly appreciate them doing that. All things considering I will still have a word with the Officers involved to see what really happened but overall If they where not hired by the Police to fight then that is not really working with them.

 
Here is your proof gentlemen.

 

Jared Wolf said:
We were only 2 police officers on duty when these 2 Aegis heroes came and help us out when we was pinned downed at the drug dealer, also they helped us take down some rebels trying to get away! Really good RP-ers i can only recommend them!
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I will also leave a link to the thread :)


 
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Check the section of player recomendations. They are openly admitting to Mitch and Lexi helping the authorities. Having posession of illegal weapons, they are not exempt to the rules clearly stated. 

If these rules are not stuck to, I see no point in continuing playing here, if the police have "favourites".

 
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Vlada said:
Here is your proof gentlemen.

 
I will also leave a link to the thread :)
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So you have proof that Mitch and Lexi came to Kavala, it is in no way implied that the officers asked for help, just that they note that Mitch and Lexi aided the stopping of criminals.

As I said, until the officers come out and say that they asked for help this is little more than a smear campaign.

If you have a problem with Mitch and Lexi killing you, go make a report (if you have evidence of rulebreaking) so far this really shouldn't be a police matter.

 
Why didn't the police take the illegal weapon

Edgar Ville said:
So you have proof that Mitch and Lexi came to Kavala, it is in no way implied that the officers asked for help, just that they note that Mitch and Lexi aided the stopping of criminals.
As I said, until the officers come out and say that they asked for help this is little more than a smear campaign.
If you have a problem with Mitch and Lexi killing you, go make a report (if you have evidence of rulebreaking) so far this really shouldn't be a police matter.
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The police failed to confiscate the illegal weapons, so they did not enforce the rules.

 
So rebels are allowed to collaborate with the police, as long as the police don't admit to it. Good to know, thanks.

 
If we're using straw man arguments we can paint anybody on the server as the bad guy, before this thread got silly I merely stated that until there is evidence that Mitch and Lexi were asked to come and help, there have been no server rules or police guidelines broken.

I'm not going to argue with you about the roleplay behind not taking a gun from a man who just saved you because that's not for me to dictate the rules on.

 

 
Basically it is breaking what are the game mechanics. Rules are set because a pure sandbox doesn't work without moderation. That is why the authorities and people working with them have to be clearly distinguishable.

This leads me to one of my original arguments - would you allow an rp terrorist group, that can justify killing people just by saying it is terrorism? Because people that look like rebels but are in fact helped by the police is pretty much a loophole around RDM.

 
What's your in game name and how long have you played here mosh?

 
I am new here and that is why I am feeling like there is already a clear cut group calling the shots, so I guess we newbies aren't welcome.

 
What is your in game name?

 
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My in game name is Adonis. I stress that although I have differences in view with some of these rules, I tread very carefully in sticking to RP. It just seems that the rules are a lot more vague than I had originally believed. I do not record while I play, but if it comes to that, I will start recording if I will not be trusted otherwise as a newbie.

 
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