Message To All Pilots

[Jumper]

Hello,

As some of you may know, Malden Airlines have created Air Traffic Control. This was made to add to tge realism etc.

I am writing you all this message as a lot of you will have no clue about what the air traffic controllers are speaking about to you. 

I urge all pilots who are not familiar with ATC to watch maybe one video and try to get familiar with both ATC and the Altis International Airports runway.

The main thing that you need to learn is the runway numbers. If you are directed to

22 Left you do need to know where abouts that is..

If you do not know do not be afraid to radio in saying "i am unfamiliar with this runway/airport etc". 

If you would like to become and Air Traffic Controller (ATCO) apply by messaging @Snakehut or @Louie Austino.

Thanks for your time.

 

[MaartenW]

Have found a good way to communicate with pilots yet? It seems unpractical to have to switch teamspeak channels every time you make a special maneuver in Altis airspace. How do you deal with unauthorized take offs and is there a way to track aircrafts since there are no transponders ingame?  

 

[Filihut]

How do you deal with unauthorized take offs and is there a way to track aircrafts since there are no transponders ingame?  

Unathorized take offs will be dealt with by closing runway. Have you ever heard of eyes? You can see planes with them xD. We only operate within altis international airport

 

[Tommy Shelby]

I'm basing this on the assumption that you want ALL pilots, police, CIV, Malden airlines etc and not JUST malden airlines to abide by these operating procedures.

1) How will ATC communicate with pilots? Whispers would be a no-go as people would abuse it or you would need special channels in order to use it, this requires a lot of effort, especially in 'emergencies' when you need to leave ASAP so having to change channels would probably be a no go. We can't use sidechat, it's unpractical as it requires typing.
You say and I quote '

If you do not know do not be afraid to radio in saying "i am unfamiliar with this runway/airport etc".

Radio to whom exactly? Who will respond, what channel will you be in?

2) This isn't a server rule

and the majority of people wouldn't use this 'system'. People would have to learn how to communicate with ATC, which isn't always the easiest thing to do, as a private pilot I know this. 

3) 'Closing' the runway would not do anything as 1, most people take off from the helipad, 2, if using a ceaser people aren't going to not takeoff because somebody who has no authority in the server or anything else tells them too. 
Unfortunately the runway would be 'closed' all of the time because lets be honest, there would be a lot of 'unauthorized' take offs.

4) I generally don't think this will work, don't get me wrong it is a cool idea and I like it, but realistically it isn't practical on this server, I think it would be cool and could work with police, NHS and 'malden airlines' but not with civs. 

I guarentee that the majority of civ pilots  won't abide by these aviation 'laws' / airport procedures and so it WILL become troublesome quickly / essentially become boring for ATC's as lets face it, most people aren't going to actually carry these out.

 5) just asking people to watch an ATC video and expecting people to do it but let alone understand what the conversation means is like asking someone to learn guitar by watching one youtube tutorial.

Lets give a scenario, bunch of rebels need a heli / plane to escape someone, police rebels UNMC whatever, they aren't going to radio and request permission to taxi and takeoff, they're going to go ASAP.

Seen as 90% of the server flies at some point I think it's unfair / unrealistic for everyone to learn codes, terminoligy and the airport layout, it is more for people who have a passion / interest within aviation. I know there are a lot of aviation enthusiasts in the community but I would say it's a minority, and suggest you take this up as a suggestion in which Malden Airlines, the Police and NHS use, rather than the whole server as it isn't practical in any sense given the nature of the server. 

Going back the the whole passion point this is going to be more desireable to those that are interested in aviation etc. Its not for everyone and even though I like the idea and have litterally breathe aviation I do believe this isnt something I think that would be good for the server. Its like forcing the medics to use actual procedures and use correct terminology, if youre passionate about it IRL you will, but if not its a hassle and something you have to learn.

 

[Jumper]

I'm basing this on the assumption that you want ALL pilots, police, CIV, Malden airlines etc and not JUST malden airlines to abide by these operating procedures.

1) How will ATC communicate with pilots? Whispers would be a no-go as people would abuse it or you would need special channels in order to use it, this requires a lot of effort, especially in 'emergencies' when you need to leave ASAP so having to change channels would probably be a no go. We can't use sidechat, it's unpractical as it requires typing.
You say and I quote '

Radio to whom exactly? Who will respond, what channel will you be in?

2) This isn't a server rule

and the majority of people wouldn't use this 'system'. People would have to learn how to communicate with ATC, which isn't always the easiest thing to do, as a private pilot I know this. 

3) 'Closing' the runway would not do anything as 1, most people take off from the helipad, 2, if using a ceaser people aren't going to not takeoff because somebody who has no authority in the server or anything else tells them too. 
Unfortunately the runway would be 'closed' all of the time because lets be honest, there would be a lot of 'unauthorized' take offs.

4) I generally don't think this will work, don't get me wrong it is a cool idea and I like it, but realistically it isn't practical on this server, I think it would be cool and could work with police, NHS and 'malden airlines' but not with civs. 

I guarentee that the majority of civ pilots  won't abide by these aviation 'laws' / airport procedures and so it WILL become troublesome quickly / essentially become boring for ATC's as lets face it, most people aren't going to actually carry these out.

Lets give a scenario, bunch of rebels need a heli / plane to escape someone, police rebels UNMC whatever, they aren't going to radio and request permission to taxi and takeoff, they're going to go ASAP.

Seen as 90% of the server flies at some point I think it's unfair / unrealistic for everyone to learn codes, terminoligy and the airport layout, it is more for people who have a passion / interest within aviation. I know there are a lot of aviation enthusiasts in the community but I would say it's a minority, and suggest you take this up as a suggestion in which Malden Airlines, the Police and NHS use, rather than the whole server as it isn't practical in any sense given the nature of the server. 

1. Yes your assumption is correct as the title says "message to ALL pilots" 

2. I am currently on holidays so i have not had the oppurtunity to use ATC yet.

3. Radio to air traffic control? Quite obvious.

4. This is for realism, if you do want the realism, we can provide it. We are not professional air traffic controls, therefore we can be quite understandable for the pilot who isnt too familiar with ATC.

5. It is already working.

6. Your rebel scenario: rebels who are fleeing never request ATC and ignore ATC as ATC will obviously tell them to stop. Therefore ignoring us is realistic.

7. Nobody said learn codes and terminology, thats too much considering everyone owns aircraft and uses it. I said learn A). The runway and taxiway.

8. Things dont have to be practicle. Its a game and it should be fun. As a matter of fact, if practicality is what you seek then ATC is practicle however it is for people who seek realism. 

 

[Tommy Shelby]

1) There really is not need to get cocky, i'm giving an opinion, it wasn't that clear since you mentioned Malden Airlines therefore I do think its acceptable for me to wonder if you mean ALL pilots on the server or ALL of those within Malden Airlines.

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3) So how does one communicate with ATC? Is this via TS? is it via Text? Is it via sidechat? 

4)  You don't understand what I mean, I never said this isn't 'realistic'. I said 'realistically this isn't practical' - this means that in reality I don't think that it is practical. By that I mean yes it's all well to try and explain and tell someone to watch a video but how are you going to implement this and try to get people to use it? Since it isn't and most likely won't be a server rule it will be very hard for you to get the server on board and using this approach. I'm thinking of you guys here, if you're sat there in the ATC tower waiting for people to communicate with you, however that will be done, it may become tedious is nobody bothers.

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6) its realistic yes but then you'll close a runway and people will continue to use the airport and so again, I can see it becoming a little tedious for those ATC's who end up saying 'don't land' 'don't take off' etc etc and having nobody listen to them.

What happens when every single or the majority of aircraft go against or do not contact ATC? You'll end up with a bunch of guys in an ATC tower bored out of their minds.

7) Well how are you expecting them to read the runway signs etc and report back? Eg. Turn onto runway 22 via 4B, or do you want them to say 4 - Bravo? Not everyone knows the phonetic alphabet. 
Asking people to learn how to use runway signs isn't that easy, yes its minimalistic on arma but still, a sign saying 4A isn't very self explanatory.

8) I don't think it's practical because lets be honest the airport isn't at a stage where people don't know where to go etc, there aren't huge ques for everyone. It would be practical if that were the case, but it isn't.

I'm not saying this is a bad idea, i'm saying that it will most likely be a few specific members of the community who abide by all of this, and so the 'message to ALL pilots' is essentially a message to everyone on the server, in which the majority will not abide by any of this.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

@Jumper I'm not trying to knock your idea here, if it worked then YES it would be cool, don't get me wrong.

But you haven't given any idea of how any of it will work. Its detrimental that pilots and ATC can communicate, but you haven't actually said how you're going to do it. It can't be via text / typing because that is super impractical especially when asking to land etc.

The fact is you haven't addressed anything on how this is going to work, you've literally said people need to learn about atc and get to know the layout of the airport and that they shouldn't be afraid to communicate but how is this all to be done?

I do think its a good idea on paper, but you need to tell us how you're planning to actually implement this to everyone, and not just those in the past who were in BA etc.

As I said i'm not trying to knock you but maybe my points will help you develop the idea further and create a plan, rather than just assume everyone is to know how this will all operate.

 

[Jumper]

@Jumper I'm not trying to knock your idea here, if it worked then YES it would be cool, don't get me wrong.

But you haven't given any idea of how any of it will work. Its detrimental that pilots and ATC can communicate, but you haven't actually said how you're going to do it. It can't be via text / typing because that is super impractical especially when asking to land etc.

The fact is you haven't addressed anything on how this is going to work, you've literally said people need to learn about atc and get to know the layout of the airport and that they shouldn't be afraid to communicate but how is this all to be done?

I do think its a good idea on paper, but you need to tell us how you're planning to actually implement this to everyone, and not just those in the past who were in BA etc.

As I said i'm not trying to knock you but maybe my points will help you develop the idea further and create a plan, rather than just assume everyone is to know how this will all operate.

Ye mate i understand your opinion i came across quite blunt i didnt mean for it to read like that...

And its already being used by ATCO right now... it seems to work.. 

 

[Filihut]

3) So how does one communicate with ATC? Is this via TS? is it via Text? Is it via sidechat?

7) Well how are you expecting them to read the runway signs etc and report back? Eg. Turn onto runway 22 via 4B, or do you want them to say 4 - Bravo? Not everyone knows the phonetic alphabet. 
Asking people to learn how to use runway signs isn't that easy, yes its minimalistic on arma but still, a sign saying 4A isn't very self explanatory

The atc is in the malden airlines lobby, you jump in there and boom you have changed frequency. From now on everything you say is in the altis airport frequency.

We do have a map of the different runways and taxiways. It will be given out every time the atc is live.

At last I just wanna say that we are only asking people to come to the atc, not demanding. Its something we thought could be fun, and increase the realism of the servers aviation. If someone does not want to use the atc, then fine!

Sorry for the slow response

Kind regards - MA CEO Snakehut

 

[John Woll]

It would be quite sick to have the Teamspeak tag " Pilot" or "ATC" you can set up a whisper to just whisper a specific channel group in this case being everyone with a "Pilot" tag on their Teamspeak, doesn't matter in which channel you are. Would get easily abused though unless these tags can only be given and removed by Malden Airlines members but would add to realism as you can hear verbal ATC's and do requests while flying over the radio.