Low Quality APD rp.

[Oak Canada]

For the most part, most of the police I run into are quality folks. I love interacting with them. But sometimes you have those APD officers who ignore the requirement of quality roleplay and try to shut down even non violent roleplays with aggressive no room for development tactics and then drive off as quickly as possible. 

I have been working on a roleplay for several days for a video with and without my gang and most of the interactions with police have been positive, but I felt that it was important to provide an interaction that happened in the last hour that pretty much deflated all people that were participants want to proceed with the roleplay. 

This isn't a post to have the officers singled out, reprimanded etc, its merely to provide an example of how disregarding people trying to roleplay with you and involve you in a story can put an unwarranted damper on people's day.

Video removed at request of support team

 @Joe Malley @Faris 

 

[Zynn]

Had similar experiences. 

 

[Madmatt150]

So I'll be honest, this is not too pleasant to see, You say this isn't to single out the officer, but now everyone who see's this video will automatically associate that officer with poor RP, and I know that officer, he is a good officer with some great RP. We all have grips about RP, I could easily make an 50 minute video of poor RP in 1 hour, and the other 10 is for me driving (This is an example, never actually happened). 

I understand your frustration, I really do. Being a civ myself and being subject to some questionable RP, but I suggest you look at it from the other side of the page. The police are here to be the good guys (In some way) but also to try and keep trolls and other idiots in check. Blocking kavala bridge with quads, to me is a trolly manner, not that you intended, your RP seems absolutely brilliant. 

At the end of the day, talk to the officer, tell him why you weren't happy. Slapping the video with names and saying that I'm not singling him out, to me is hypocritical.

 

[KingGodDiabloZ]

@Shambala12@toi nuts

Maybe you should be able to explain yourself

 

[Oak Canada]

Ive removed it, this seemed like the proper forum for this type of discussion my apology. 

 

[Samatlewis]

I would suggest if you have an actual issue with evidence of officers providing sub-standard roleplay you take it to the liaison room with a member of their command (DSGT+) and they can punish as they deem fit once provided with evidence (preferably make them resit their PA and FTT).

 

[Shambala12]

First of all, I am going to politely request for that video to be removed @Oaky. If you have any issues with the RP then you should always have a chat with them because you say your not targeting me and the CSO yet people will immediately assosisate me with bad RP. Now with this situation, I should have done more and looked at your documents but I had people talking down my TS and that bridge, it was full of trucks and couldn't hear anything. I didn't even get to finish RP but I couldn't stand the lag and noise that existed in that situation. I wasn't able to finish my RP because I had a cop being held up and had to respond immediately otherwise I would have looked at your documents and deal with the roadblock. I am sorry about the RP there and although I have excuses, it still doesn't meet my standards I expect myself to RP at so i am honestly sorry about that. RP with me any other time and you will see what RP I can actually do but this was just a fuck up. 

 

[FergusW]

I didn't hear what was being said through the video as it was VERY noisy, however at the end 'The Police never roleplay'. Whoever said that needs to log onto the server a bit more. Would be nice if they see the Police a bit more and roleplay towards them rather than the normal stuff we get now which is gunfights and gunfights and getting annoyed and more gunfights and 6 HM Treasuries, 2 prison breaks and 4 hostage situations etc. We don't always have time to give amazing roleplay but the fact that you can just assume something by 1 / 2 people is shocking.

SGT Fergus

 

[Riccardo Walls]

I was so eager to upload my video of some of the rebels that have posted in this forums fantastic Roleplay. Pulling up to broken down officers, getting their hands up. Telling them to drop gear one by one, then leaving. With no Roleplay.

 Personally I Love to roleplay, but I have a list of players I dont try to roleplay my best with. This is because normally their roleplay leave A LOT to be desired, or they bait or they are known for constantly just robbing APD or starting firefights. 

This could be why the police drive away from these "roleplay situations".

My advice is if your looking to roleplay with police to a fun standard. Play with a rebels that are known for good roleplay. I don't know who you play with, so this isn't aimed at anybody. But the're rebels I look forward to seeing @Simen@Ant Arni to name a couple and others I avoid like the plague  ( I won't be tagging them)

These posts are posted all the time. Making a forum post about it won't solve it. talk to CMD. 

I wont post the video, because its pretty slanderous.

 

[Oak Canada]

I would suggest if you have an actual issue with evidence of officers providing sub-standard roleplay you take it to the liaison room with a member of their command (DSGT+) and they can punish as they deem fit once provided with evidence (preferably make them resit their PA and FTT).

Its very unclear of the chain of command one should follow when trying to air an issue in a non vengeful manner with the intention of improving the over experience not only for myself and those I play with, but to those I have the potential to play with but haven't yet, without wanting to cause warnings or reprimands to the players involved as I said. I'd ask as a newer poster but a year long user that some clarification of this be made in the roleplay discussion description as currently it reads as the place to discuss anything and everything to do with

First of all, I am going to politely request for that video to be removed @Oaky. If you have any issues with the RP then you should always have a chat with them because you say your not targeting me and the CSO yet people will immediately assosisate me with bad RP. Now with this situation, I should have done more and looked at your documents but I had people talking down my TS and that bridge, it was full of trucks and couldn't hear anything. I didn't even get to finish RP but I couldn't stand the lag and noise that existed in that situation. I wasn't able to finish my RP because I had a cop being held up and had to respond immediately otherwise I would have looked at your documents and deal with the roadblock. I am sorry about the RP there and although I have excuses, it still doesn't meet my standards I expect myself to RP at so i am honestly sorry about that. RP with me any other time and you will see what RP I can actually do but this was just a fuck up. 

I assure that as soon as the support member requested the video be taken off this post it was, and it remains unlisted on my youtube.

This wasn't a post to single you out, but if you wish to take it on the positive side of things and renew your want to provide your high quality roleplay then I am thankful that I did post it since it allowed you to see a separate view of people uninvolved in your part of the game being told off and left standing without explanation or reason as to why what they are saying is falling on deaf ears, and now gives your a reason to prove to yourself that your original want to be part of a grand story that is made up of millions of smaller stories as someone who lends their pen of imagination to developing a rich ongoing tale.

As for others suggesting I should have approached you about it, I can concede that yes I should have messaged you, but given your overall disinterest I saw very little potential of positive outcome of doing so.

I didn't hear what was being said through the video as it was VERY noisy, however at the end 'The Police never roleplay'. Whoever said that needs to log onto the server a bit more. Would be nice if they see the Police a bit more and roleplay towards them rather than the normal stuff we get now which is gunfights and gunfights and getting annoyed and more gunfights and 6 HM Treasuries, 2 prison breaks and 4 hostage situations etc. We don't always have time to give amazing roleplay but the fact that you can just assume something by 1 / 2 people is shocking.

SGT Fergus

I uploaded the non audio balanced version, and wont be uploading the cleaned up version as its evident that its intention is misconstrued.

I agree regarding wanting to see the police role play, for the most part as I said at the beginning most of my interactions are positive and I still have another 2 - 3, 15 minute videos of adventures with police highlighting such. 

I would ask that you clarify as to what's being assumed that you find shocking, i've read your post over and mine several time to try to clarify it to myself but I cant see what's being assumed unless youre referring to the long time player saying about police not roleplaying, that wasn't me speaking since I have lots of footage of positive interaction

So I'll be honest, this is not too pleasant to see, You say this isn't to single out the officer, but now everyone who see's this video will automatically associate that officer with poor RP, and I know that officer, he is a good officer with some great RP. We all have grips about RP, I could easily make an 50 minute video of poor RP in 1 hour, and the other 10 is for me driving (This is an example, never actually happened). 

I understand your frustration, I really do. Being a civ myself and being subject to some questionable RP, but I suggest you look at it from the other side of the page. The police are here to be the good guys (In some way) but also to try and keep trolls and other idiots in check. Blocking kavala bridge with quads, to me is a trolly manner, not that you intended, your RP seems absolutely brilliant. 

At the end of the day, talk to the officer, tell him why you weren't happy. Slapping the video with names and saying that I'm not singling him out, to me is hypocritical.

id like to assure you as well that the video is unlisted on my youtube and untagged with the server as I love being on the server and am not trying to shine a negative light on it. 

 

[Shambala12]

@Oakythank you for removing that video. At least we now have both learned that we could have done more to avoid this post. I know this post was not to target myself or the CSO however people can use that video against myself or that CSO. I would also like to point out after reviewing the video, some of the things I did say you can't hear on your recording due to distance and how loud it is from the vehicles. And as for contacting me, although you may feel that you won't get anything out of it, is it not worth the try to give up 5 minutes tops to try and have a nice chat with the person explaining what you feel could have been changed to improve the RP experience so I would reccomend talking to somebody next time before making any posts like this as it can make the person in the video look bad. 

 

[Oak Canada]

@Oakythank you for removing that video. At least we now have both learned that we could have done more to avoid this post. I know this post was not to target myself or the CSO however people can use that video against myself or that CSO. I would also like to point out after reviewing the video, some of the things I did say you can't hear on your recording due to distance and how loud it is from the vehicles. And as for contacting me, although you may feel that you won't get anything out of it, is it not worth the try to give up 5 minutes tops to try and have a nice chat with the person explaining what you feel could have been changed to improve the RP experience so I would reccomend talking to somebody next time before making any posts like this as it can make the person in the video look bad. 

I am unsure as to what I would have learned to avoid this post as otherwise I wouldn't have brought the information forward as it wasn't my intention to get you in trouble with a report, if you do wish me to upload the balanced audio levels and additional perspectives of the interaction from the others present and recording, I can for your own reflection on the interaction. I am not trying to be a jerk and I am a very positive and uplifting others is one of my favorite things, just to be clear since people often take my bluntness through text as hostility or rudeness when I am just trying to put thoughts to words. Others can attest to this lol. 

As for posts like this, again  the forum is listed as being for anything and everything to do with roleplay and, I would take it as a failure to communicate between user and site rather than an error on my part to bring something important to light in a manner that does not cast darkness or hidden motive. I do agree that I should have reached out to you but the thought of giving you 5 minutes when it seemed like you couldn't give 60 seconds and hear what was being said leaves a very bad impression as to how I should invest my time. 

I support your request from teamspeak to remove the post if you feel it is necessary and I read your response following you closing the conversation, but I hope you remember the post and when you stop looking at it as a slight against you and a documentented critique on your performance from someone who only wants to see you do better and enjoy what you're doing to avoid such interactions, and hopefully improve even one other person's experience.

Even though this post may be removed, the challenge is still to you to play the serious roleplay server as such, I am 14 pages into a rather large project that has been being worked on for almost a month now that is a community project I hope to bring forward in the near future and I would love to know that you're out there giving your 100% incase you get involved through the marriot of story strings our fine community see's on a regular basis. 

Trust me sir, were all in this together and I am one of the people who only want to see this community grow larger and larger and have reasons to make server 2 always up and server 3 be a consistent part of the experience. Keep your stick on the ice, and let me know if you ever think up a random scenario you want to act out and have recorded. 

 

[TheRealOutlaw]

Im glad you have posted this, I have talked to different command to stress that officers fail to rp! I see officers daily that refuse to rp and im so sick of it that I have started bringing them into teamspeak to discuss the quality of their rp, now I don't get the officers in trouble, I just try and help them see it from my eyes and hopefully they will rp better! try asking them into teamspeak and talking about their rp

 

[Ponty]

Have an issue? Take it to Liaison or PCC, either or; you have an issue, please take it up with the command of that officer be it DSGT/INS+. Take this as notice for future reference, as taking it further within Police hierarchy will only benefit that officer and your experience in this community.

 

[Oak Canada]

Have an issue? Take it to Liaison or PCC, either or; you have an issue, please take it up with the command of that officer be it DSGT/INS+. Take this as notice for future reference, as taking it further within Police hierarchy will only benefit that officer and your experience in this community.

Noted. 

 

[Riccardo Walls]

It's actually quite funny to be writing about this discussion from this side of the law, as exactly 30 days ago I was posting storys like yours.

See here https://gyazo.com/eab8f24c02f6e9182a336969f525f576.

But now as a police officer, I completely understand why some of the police are like this. Yes I completely agree some police most likely do need to roleplay better, and as outlaw said , message them on teamspeak and go through it there. As a whitelisted slot I understand you expect more from us which is acceptable.

Roleplay should always be priority - Thats the general consensus of everybody correct. As a police officers we have a duty, as somebody who loves the roleplay element I hate it when I have to walk away from RP to go and help in a gunfight to check something from a dispatch, but at the end of the day sometimes I just have to. 

Playing as a cop means our level of roleplay has several layers, which is differnt as a rebel, as a rebel group you have one objective, as a police officer you're pulled from pillar and post. I'm not complaining about this but thats the way it is.

Just please consider that it may not be terrible roleplay they just dont have time to commit. 

also if you're roleplay is awful, I dont see why they would roleplay with you? I spent an hour with @Paoearlier when checking his truck for drugs. Roleplay was great. But the majority of times I pull people over I get "Its flowers , not drugs" , I even got "Its a carpet". Dont Insult the intelligence of the person playing the police and you're roleplay will most likley get accepted. Do you seriously accept the police to accept a MK14 is a fishing rod? 

Sorry to go on tangents, but yeah.

 

[Hoax]

I was gonna make the same points as @Ricardo Sanchez did but ey I don't mind. Myself I do love roleplaying with pepole if they can make it funny/good and there is no trolls/anoying hobos screaming "officer give me gun" and such. I really understand your frustration since this is something you notice alot more as a rebel than a cop. But as everyone has said go to command/liason/pcc if really needed. I hope you can get some more enjoyable rp from the police in the future mate

 

[Oak Canada]

It's actually quite funny to be writing about this discussion from this side of the law, as exactly 30 days ago I was posting storys like yours.

See here https://gyazo.com/eab8f24c02f6e9182a336969f525f576.

But now as a police officer, I completely understand why some of the police are like this. Yes I completely agree some police most likely do need to roleplay better, and as outlaw said , message them on teamspeak and go through it there. As a whitelisted slot I understand you expect more from us which is acceptable.

Roleplay should always be priority - Thats the general consensus of everybody correct. As a police officers we have a duty, as somebody who loves the roleplay element I hate it when I have to walk away from RP to go and help in a gunfight to check something from a dispatch, but at the end of the day sometimes I just have to. 

Playing as a cop means our level of roleplay has several layers, which is differnt as a rebel, as a rebel group you have one objective, as a police officer you're pulled from pillar and post. I'm not complaining about this but thats the way it is.

Just please consider that it may not be terrible roleplay they just dont have time to commit. 

also if you're roleplay is awful, I dont see why they would roleplay with you? I spent an hour with @Paoearlier when checking his truck for drugs. Roleplay was great. But the majority of times I pull people over I get "Its flowers , not drugs" , I even got "Its a carpet". Dont Insult the intelligence of the person playing the police and you're roleplay will most likley get accepted. Do you seriously accept the police to accept a MK14 is a fishing rod? 

Sorry to go on tangents, but yeah.

I didn't list him as having terrible roleplayer sir, nor were you given enough to consider if our roleplay was positive or negative since making a video thats ongoing I am not going to do a cut of everything just to lead it up to a moment like was experienced.  Which is all I can go on is the experience of the moment where without a word the officer just leaves after what seems like the quickest way of stopping what's going on without getting involved in the story, which lead to the post as it says at the very start its not to single out etc, but to provide an example of how disregarding rp can deflate peoples day, and I stand by my intention, and question your need to say our rp was awful.

Ive donned uniforms on several servers and worn many masks, and every time i've felt like it was the same stuff day in day out I always walked another path. 

 

[Pao]

@Ricardo Sanchezi still expect you to come to my delayed haloween party and taking a swing in some of my industril hemp ropes! - But in all honesty, theres bad apples in all batches, had a HORRID run in earlier with cops - and a amazing one recently @Ricardo Sanchez& Co.

But keep the standard higher than avg. on your end, it can only improve on their end! 8)