[LA] Jamie (Refused - Could have been played better but not RDM)

[NooSe]

Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name): [LA] Jamie
 
Time & Date this happened: 14:00 GMT, 26/09/2014
 
Description of what happened: Responded to a bank robbery with 4 other officers, all bar 1 was slaughtered fairly quickly, so started a new patrol on respawn in Pygros. Then I get a dispatch from the surviving officer saying the bank has been robbed they're moving gold south to pygros can you intercept. my self and PC johnjoeegan rallied up  at the gold dealer awaiting their arrival. I set up in the upstairs of the opposite build to cash for gold on 2nd floor with Johnjoe 25m to my rear a black Ifrit then pulls up shortly followed by 2 Hemmt box, first of all we want to get size on numbers if they are heavily armed and descriptions, next thing I know I take to rounds to my back, I spin round then I'm dead. Then a direct chat message comes through on direct saying you were warned, there were 4 officers within 50m off my location, all confirmed no warnings were heard.
 
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?: Yeah we had chat on TS3 with many of the guys involved, however after speaking to superiors about the situation I decided to proceed as I couldn't agree with their point of view.
  
Please post video evidence/screenshots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence)
 
This footage is donated by PC Johnjoeegan as I currently don't record
 


 
 

 

[Voltz]

This is difficult, because they robbed the bank, and cops were most likely chasing them. Its not random at all, but I would classify this as Poor roleplay.

RDM is misunderstood in my opinion.

 

[Eddylane]

so as we said we have warned you . maybe you didn't heard but it was a miscommunication. now stop crying please.

 

[Kris!]

Is difficult indeed, bearing in mind they've just had a gun fight at the bank with the police, they then get to the location to sell the gold and find a police officer with (I assume) a lethal weapon camping in the building.

It's safe to say, the first thing police do when they die at the bank job is respawn at Pyrgos and wait at the gold seller, with the intention of *hoping* there's about to be a load of gold sell from a bank job you're completely unaware of? Perhaps the rules of this should be looked at, it seems a bit unfair to me. 

 

[Kris!]

so as we said we have warned you . maybe you didn't heard but it was a miscommunication. now stop crying please.

No need for insults, we're all grown ups here and should discuss it like grown ups.

 

[NooSe]

so as we said we have warned you . maybe you didn't heard but it was a miscommunication. now stop crying please.

Ok I'll keep that in mind.

 

[BratJaggesVlnd]

This is difficult, because they robbed the bank, and cops were most likely chasing them. Its not random at all, but I would classify this as Poor roleplay.

RDM is misunderstood in my opinion.

So in that case.. cops can shoot on sight in Pyrgos too?

 

[Voltz]

So in that case.. cops can shoot on sight in Pyrgos too?

No, in real life the cops want to get them alive, also they don't just dive in with 2 officers, they wait for back up. Anyway, think. T A T I C S. Rebels will shoot on sight because they have been in a cop fight, where as cops can not be in a position that they are taken out in, don't camp obvious rooms.

The rules here need to be more specific. Its confusion what they can and can't do.

But like I said, cops want them alive, rebels want them dead.

 

[Kris!]

So in that case.. cops can shoot on sight in Pyrgos too?

The problem is that the rebels seen here survived the gun fight - the majority of the police then scene in Pyrgos were killed and a NLR was applied - but by chance, all 4 dead and 1 who survived decided to go Pyrgos, for whatever reason.

Any situation should be dealt with the intent of no casualties in the police point of view and then consider the rebels point of view.

Several cops killed already

Illegal weapons

Illegal vehicles

Robbed the HM Treasury of millions

These guys are all in.

 

[BratJaggesVlnd]

Yes, police always go in with the intent not to kill, but if three police officers where dead, and one survived, couldn't one assume that the last one called in both description of the robbers and the make and licenseplate of the vehicles used? Then police would know they killed three police officers, are heavily armed and wont give up. In this situation, they defenitely wouldn't take any chances.

Also, the police on Altis aren't like the police in say Britain, Altis has an ongoing rebellion. Rules might not be so strict about non-lethal there.

Not saying police should go on killing rampages, but in extreme situations like this it feels silly to go up with a tazer to at least four heavily armed cop-killers.

 

[Eddylane]

So in that case.. cops can shoot on sight in Pyrgos too?

So brat uhm you know the situation off 2 days ago u have seen that forum topic of mine so no i will post it here: 



This is what you guys created so we Gonna deal with that.

 

[Kris!]

Yes, police always go in with the intent not to kill, but if three police officers where dead, and one survived, couldn't one assume that the last one called in both description of the robbers and the make and licenseplate of the vehicles used? Then police would know they killed three police officers, are heavily armed and wont give up. In this situation, they defenitely wouldn't take any chances.

Also, the police on Altis aren't like the police in say Britain, Altis has an ongoing rebellion. Rules might not be so strict about non-lethal there.

Not saying police should go on killing rampages, but in extreme situations like this it feels silly to go up with a tazer to at least four heavily armed cop-killers.

I'm not sure what line of work you're in, but I can assure you - when you've taken heavy fire from LMG and assault rifles, 4 of your colleagues are killed on the spot from several armed mean driving very large vehicles (which let's face it, wouldn't have license plates) but managed to get a description without being spotted, managed to get that description to officers who weren't even on duty yet, tell them to spawn at Pyrgos and be ready 4 vehicles, is not as easy as it seems. 

To me, it sounds like a case of cops not remembering the NLR and spawning at Pyrgos ready to spearhead an attack on them once again, but I wanted to refrain from saying that.

But like you said.. cops aren't going to take chances, so why should rebels? 

 

[nozeinho]

I just think people who were not directly involved with the incident should just keep their noses out of things like this and leave it to the admins like it should be done. Just my opinion though. 

 

[Harribel1]

Think we need to get some new rules on this. Cause its always the same. When Rebels gets the victory at the bank, cops always just spawn in pyrgos and camp. This shouldnt be allowed if you ask me. Shouldnt have to fight against the same people twice.

And even when all the cops die they still respawn in pyrgos and waits for the robbers..

 

[Kris!]

I just think people who were not directly involved with the incident should just keep their noses out of things like this and leave it to the admins like it should be done. Just my opinion though.

I do believe that's the official rule, however I think it's also important to get people views and opinions. I like to think I'm not bias, you can see in other threads I've pretty much dropped a gang member in the shit, it's nothing personal, I don't dislike that person or have a grudge, I'm just admitting that he's made a mistake that shouldn't happen. Same applies here, I'm a police officer, I'm also a rebel in my spare time, it's easy to see someone breaking a rule, but you need to look it into and ask questions to get an idea of what happened.

 

[Wilco]

"now stop crying please"

No need for that... can you do some growing up please as this sort of comment isn't welcome here

I cannot prove this is RDM... if i was just about to sell some gold i would look around and if i seen a sniff of police after a big operation i too wouldnt think twice about popping some shots there way.