is this poor roleplay?

[James_W12345]

I was playing today with a couple of randomers, attempting a (fake)hostage/ransom situation with the police.

I wanted to check if this was poor roleplay or something:

firstly the police rolled up to me (I was in an advance position, attempting to be a go-between) and I told them I was the negotiator they wanted and that the hostage takers have my family and they will kill them if anyone is shot or arrested.... and that they wanted £250k.

The police kinda just ignored me, instead rushing towards the hostage takers and in my viewers opinion "glitch climbing up the rocks" and "glitching under cars" (which were placed to block the entrance... then they carried on pushing despite my warnings and kinda dicked on my roleplay...

They basically killed the hostage taker(s) and left...   reflecting on this its kinda like whats the point in attempting role play....

im often in kavala role playing which is great fun, but i rarely go out and attempt role play outside the safe zone, this has made me more inclined to stay in the green zone.

Have a look and see if im being silly or if it was poor role play, id value your opinion guys.

https://www.twitch.tv/james_w12345/v/113292144?t=1h31m45s

 

[iHaz]

I think this is terrible behaviour from the cops.

This must be stopped

 

[LONG BEARD]

I can see why the cops acted this way.

I think they misunderstood your situation, and I think that's mostly your fault.  You told them at the start that 'they' (the hostage takers) have your family and they would kill them, but you failed to mention a 'critical' piece of information until after the situation had ended. That critical info was that your family were being held at another location.

Can't see it from the cops perspective but it's normal police procedure to send an unarmed police negotiator to negotiate with the hostage takers, not the victim. Again, we can't see the cops side of the video, but the negotiator who I assume is SGT Andres is always unarmed. I can see SGT Andres was indeed unarmed. 

You repeatedly said 'they've got my family' so I presume the cops saw the situation as urgent, hence why they acted quickly in getting the unarmed negotiator up there. You mentioned that you were the negotiator once, but watching the video you were both talking at the same time so I can only presume Sgt Andres missed that. It's not an unreasonable assumption. 

You also said, if anyone gets shot, they're going to kill my family, hence why the negotiator goes in alone and unarmed. Although the other cops take position, the negotiator would have gone further alone and he would have been shouting repeatedly as he approached that he was unarmed.

Unfortunately we have no way of knowing how the negotiations went, but I assume they failed hence the use of lethal force. I'm guessing that whilst negotiations were taking place, the cops saw an opportunity to take out the hostage takers without risk to the hostages. Again, they are going on the information you gave them that the hostages were up there, something that would have been reinforced by the actual pretend hostages standing with their hands on their head.  At no point did you say how many family members were hostages.  Unfortunately, there are no babies in the game due to mechanics so they'd have to assume it was there in an invisible RP capacity only. 

At all stages, taking into account the info you gave the cops, I too would have assumed your family was up there in the castle. You only mentioned that there was other people involved and they had your family elsewhere, 15 minutes after the police arrived and once it was all over. You can even here once of the officers saying he'd saved your family member. This reinforces my belief that based on the info you gave, they thought your family was up in the castle.

The only error I think the cops made was to not send the negotiator in alone from your location instead of all moving forward, but I think if you had made it VERY clear at the start that your family was being held at an unknown location, this would have gone down very differently and you might have pulled it off.

With regards to the glitching comments. You can crawl under an off-road and it's not glitching. You can even see from your video a cop crawling under it with sufficient clearance. Sure it might be a tight squeeze but it's not unrealistic.  Didn't see any rock glitching. If you're talking about using V, (which you did yourself a number of times), then that's just something people have to do to negate the crap arma game mechanics. People can climb rocks in real life so I don't see an issue here.

Finally, I think the cops did a good job RPing with you throughout, particularly the PCSO.

Conclusion: Things can always be done better, but cops acted on the information, or lack of, that you gave them at the start.

This is just my opinion and not that of the police. 
 

 

[James_W12345]

Literally the first thing I said to the police was not to go any further.... and that I was the negotiator, they basically just ignored this and ran up...

Had they RPed it with me as the go between as I tried, then there would be no complaint.

Simon was the only person who really stayed to talk to me and asked me questions about the situation, the rest kinda went at the hostages like a bull at a gate.... 

I didn't have time to make the police aware that my family were in a different location because they just ran up the hill and didn't want to get more intel from me.

It just seemed like they didn't want to adapt to a different situation (using a 3rd party negotiator)... which was disappointing, because I was looking forward to the negotiator RP, instead I just got cut out .

Also I wasn't the one who was complaining about the rock climbing "glitch" just thought id point it out, its not very realistic going up a shear rock face, so i wasn't sure if it was frowned upon. but I didn't do it to gain a tactical advantage (just a view).

 

[LONG BEARD]

I'm only telling you how I saw it. Can't speak for them, but I'm guessing they missed you saying you were the negotiator since you only said it once, and Andres was also talking at the same time. In fact, I missed you saying that the first time I watched the video. Only caught it on 2nd play through.

I do think the cops should have sent the negotiator in from your location, but when cops arrive at these kind of situations, they have a lot of info to try and process very quickly, both verbally and environmentally and there's usually an element of adrenaline. There's also a lot of comms going on in the officers ear so it's not surprising some info can be missed especially if it's said just once. In this case they missed you stating you were the negotiator, but I still stand by the fact that you gave the impression the hostages were in the castle. 

I do see where you're coming from, but I don't think the cops involved did anything abhorrent that warrants a video post.

You're asking for opinions on whether it was poor roleplay. In my opinion it wasn't, just a valid misunderstanding of the situation.  

Regarding the rocks. Will need an admin to confirm this. I only know that it's very common practice and it makes sense from an RP perspective since you would expect people to be able to climb a few rocks.