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How can you react to a cop threatening the use of rubber bullets?

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Okay, so I’ve been in this situation a fair few times and I’m sure many others have multiple times before.

If a cop comes upto you and asks you to place your hands on your head or the use of non lethal rubber bullets will be used, how can you react? 

Last night when me and my friend were at the blood diamond cutter we get approached by 3 cops (all PPC’s) all with their guns out who immediately tell us to place our hands on our heads or they’ll use non lethals on us. Now me and my friend were here already with our guns out and I didn’t want to comply because let’s face it, who wants to comply with a cop who starts with  “hands up or you’ll be rubbered”? So I tell him no, I will not place my hands on my head as to which he threatens me again with the use of rubbers and I ask “are you threatening me here?” And he answers “only the use of non lethals will be used, your life is not being threatened” and this was said multiple times with him emphasising the whole part of my life is not being threatened. I at this point didn’t know what to do as he’s making me feel like if I react with force I’d be breaking rdm rules. 

So what can I actually do here?

if I surrendered to the cops I’d have lost my van of blood diamonds and my weapons and if I reacted by saying some sort of threat so I’m certain I have the right to shoot then I’d have been gunned down by rubbers instantly and lost both the van and weapons aswell. Just seems like a massive no-win situation. 

So, are you able to take threats of non-lethal force as initiation and react with lethal force? Because if not then it just seems like the cops will always win in this situation unless you call a lot of boys into the area. 

 
There is no such thing as non lethal initiation, staff team have said it multiple times, you can react the same as if it was a rebel and a large rifle just make sure you rp to a high degree.

 
As far as I'm told an initation is an initiation. Threatening with lethals has NEVER been a thing. However would class it as good roleplay if you would shoot them down instantly after they said it? No. Say something back with I'm not going to comply but I will use lethal force on you if you shoot at me. 

However if they fire a shot at you you're free to shoot them. 

 
It was said recently that the rule does not distinguish between lethal and non-lethal initiation. They are all the same, so next time someone tells you something like that you can defend yourself with the use of lethal ammunition.

 
Okay, thanks! Obviously we did try to rp but just being threatened with non lethal force and considering we weren’t sure on the rules because of this we didn’t know how to handle it. 

KingGodDiabloZ said:
As far as I'm told an initation is an initiation. Threatening with lethals has NEVER been a thing. However would class it as good roleplay if you would shoot them down instantly after they said it? No. Say something back with I'm not going to comply but I will use lethal force on you if you shoot at me. 

However if they fire a shot at you you're free to shoot them. 
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But considering how OP rubber bullets are then it’s not really in your best interest to let them shoot first, is it?

 
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Thanks for opening this thread, I actually had the same problem, it seemed like police win in that situation always, it was getting boring having to comply with the police all the time because the ball is in there court, Thanks for clearing it up.

 
As others have been saying: there is no difference between initiations with rubber bullets or regular bullets. At the end of the day, they are pointing a weapon at you and telling you that they are going to pull the trigger.

HOWEVER

It is incredibly important to note that just because there has been an "initiation" does NOT mean that you can instantly pull out your gun and start shooting. All kills must be conducted with high quality roleplay. That being said, you are allowed to defend yourself against attackers (i.e. if someone shoots at you, then you have every right to shoot them back).

Every situation is different, and without having physically seen the situation you are describing, it is impossible to give you an exact "this is when you could have fired your gun". Best way to get out of a situation with the police is to RP - you point a gun at me, and all sympathy I might have had towards you evaporates!

 
Wait!

What about tazers?

If a police man threatens to taze you are you allowed to respond to lethal? for all they know you might have a heath condition and large units of electricity might be lethal and therefore would prompt you to react accordingly and defend your life? Or am I over thinking it?

 
Isn't hands up or be rubbered a cop way of saying hands up or die? 

 
Sorry you have had to deal with a situation like this. Its a pretty poor way for anyone to be approached and the initiation "hand's up or be rubbered" does not encourage roleplay whatsoever. Yes you can consider any initation whether it be lethal or non-lethal as a way to react with combat BUT consider this the more crimes are broken the tougher we have to be. So, it may be in your best interest to cooperate, use your RP skills and be respectful. These are all things that come into the decision when the punishment and fines stage comes into play. If you do well at these it's possible to leave the scene with nothing more than a fine and community service.

 
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