Executing players and the rules around it.

[angellfall]

This is a question what i have been wondering for quite some time now. The rules are relatively clear on these parts, but for some reason these rules are not being enforced as far as I know.

 There are 2 rules in rules section what actually matters when you shoot your gun:

[SIZE=medium](2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]This rule is not applicable in the red zone.[/SIZE]

And ofcourse then therere is the

[SIZE=medium](7.1.3) Killing and executing someone must be carried out with high roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. [/SIZE]

The process of killing someone at the server as we know goes in two states: you shoot the guy he gets wounded and lies on the ground. You can execute him then By shooting him with the pistol. Now shooting and wounding goes under 2.2 where as killing and executing someone goes under 7.1.3. The rules are clearly written in a form that it supports a roleplay session before someone is executed. Now usually people say "we where in a active gunfight so i executed him". Phrase what i usually hear solely before being shot dead is "you will be executed because of x"... boom. Why is the gameplay being moderated in a way what is obviously agaist the set rules and agaist the benefits of a RP environment. Why are we allowing people to do hasty executions even tho people are in a gunfight thus violating the rule 7.1.3 as there is no such point what excludes one from that rule even there is a gunfight?

 

[Joe Macho]

This is a question what i have been wondering for quite some time now. The rules are relatively clear on these parts, but for some reason these rules are not being enforced as far as I know.

 There are 2 rules in rules section what actually matters when you shoot your gun:

And ofcourse then therere is the

The process of killing someone at the server as we know goes in two states: you shoot the guy he gets wounded and lies on the ground. You can execute him then By shooting him with the pistol. Now shooting and wounding goes under 2.2 where as killing and executing someone goes under 7.1.3. The rules are clearly written in a form that it supports a roleplay session before someone is executed. Now usually people say "we where in a active gunfight so i executed him". Phrase what i usually hear solely before being shot dead is "you will be executed because of x"... boom. Why is the gameplay being moderated in a way what is obviously agaist the set rules and agaist the benefits of a RP environment. Why are we allowing people to do hasty executions even tho people are in a gunfight thus violating the rule 7.1.3 as there is no such point what excludes one from that rule even there is a gunfight?

I agree, as a cop I've been executed quite a few times, with less than the bare minimum of roleplay. They just say, you're being executed because we don't like cops. 

Executing is bigger than anything else you can do to a person, and I feel that the RP given is not of a high standard.

 

[Samatlewis]

It's something that the staff team will be discussing tonight, and have discussed before.

In my personal opinion, it should be taken situationally. If you engage in a gunfight, down some of the opposition and they are screaming your positions, then shoot them. 

 

[Dexter]

2 days ago I was in the Blackmarket gearing up. I walked out side and there were 3 guys waiting to mug me. They said "We are taking your GPS and radio" I replied with "I can't afford a GPS look at me" They then said you are lying you can afford a rook. They zip tied me and took me round a corner and executed me for lying. This was all over in about 2 minutes. I spoke to them about it and their leader was very rude. In their eyes, they roleplayed it very well and because and I quote "You are a rebel so we have full right to shoot and kill you" .

Once zip tied you have little to no chance of actually roleplaying a situation because you cannot move and usually speaking results in them shooting you.I feel some more rules may be necessary towards the execution towards someone and zip tieing someone. Most people/gangs use zip ties as the easy option. Once they have zip tied someone then its easy from there you have a hostage if police turn up and the person cannot do anything to make you 'lose'. You are basically a puppet once zip tied, they control where you move and you have no control over what will happen.

 

[Jayray Holder]

Here's what i have an issue with..... you're already on the ground, you're already dying, if you were shot in the middle of combat and executed i feel it's perfectly fine to execute you after. What "High tier" rp do you expect to have in an execution? 

 

[SICACEO]

I know i'm new to the server and arma (only bought arma mainly due to some peoples youtubes vids about altis life and then of course some mil sim stuff, however back to my point ive been playing on server 1 for a few days now and for the most part (only happened 3 times) the first 2 people who robbed me gave really good roleplay and gave me plenty of time to react/ respond (5secs) to each message etc and did not end up killing me due to good roleplay. However the 3rd time i had just bought a truck and did not have my ear plugs in (loud noise) and drove past 2 people parked up (they said they spoke to me but i never heard them) as far as i was aware they just started shooting at my tires, then as i drove towards the police station near the green zone they caught up shot me some more so i pulled up as in role play asked why the sirs was shooting at me and ill turn off my truck and get out as i was saying this one walked infront of the truck said "get out or i shoot" as soon as shoot had been said i was downed the police came they drove off lost the cops and returned then said we should execute you, i tried to role play buy offering to make free truck runs if they helped me instead but you guessed it he said im going to ... bang i was dead before he finished. 

I did not record and being new thought this was the norm even though i felt more roleplay would be good/fun and needed so i did not want to complain like a baby haha to TS. 

After reading this post i like it if there was more roleplay regarding this type of execution, i understand if i was in a gun fight with in all out war it would be a different matter. 

PS. my island name Blackwood if anyone wants to say hi  

 

[Ethan-]

I have to agree with Jayray, if it is during active gunfight then you should be able to execute but after it is ended and in a singular situation where you die it should be roleplay.

 

[Chronic Panda]

I agree, as a cop I've been executed quite a few times, with less than the bare minimum of roleplay. They just say, you're being executed because we don't like cops. 

Executing is bigger than anything else you can do to a person, and I feel that the RP given is not of a high standard.

what exactly do you want for an execution though, i can understand where you're coming from but you arent allowed to execute if you're hoping for a 5 minuite rp session whilst you're on the ground it isnt gonna happen cos your buddies can see you on the map and by the time we're finished rping we've had "hands up or be tazed" which is another problem "hands up or die" is rdm but "hands up or be tazed" isn't i understand it isnt lethal but if you're tazed you're out of the fight anyway so it may as well be. eh i forgot my point i havent slept yet also i tend to use something like " you are currently being executed under the rules and regulations of the sos, it's allies and it's affiliates do you have any last words?" what would you class that as?

 

[Tommy Shelby]

I think if you've just roleplayed executing somebody (from being fully alive) you should be able to insta-finish them off. Its so annoying going through a whole roleplay process getting to the point where you've given sufficient enough RP to execute somebody to then have to give another load of RP in order to fully kill them. 
In those and gunfight scenarios I think it's only fair you can execute without RP, if the gunfight has ended then yeah go ahead and RP but some scenarios can actually be ruined by the secondary RP requirement. 

 

[Joe Macho]

I think if you've just roleplayed executing somebody (from being fully alive) you should be able to insta-finish them off. Its so annoying going through a whole roleplay process getting to the point where you've given sufficient enough RP to execute somebody to then have to give another load of RP in order to fully kill them. 
In those and gunfight scenarios I think it's only fair you can execute without RP, if the gunfight has ended then yeah go ahead and RP but some scenarios can actually be ruined by the secondary RP requirement. 

Like just say is there anything you want to tell your family or something. Just make it a bit interesting, instead of goodbye, you are dead.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Like just say is there anything you want to tell your family or something. Just make it a bit interesting, instead of goodbye, you are dead.

The whole point is as UNMC we ask this first. If its a full execution then I see 0 purpose or need to RP further. 

 

[Lemmen]

Executing someone for being a cop is just as much powergaming as a handheldfacial recognition unit

 

[FergusW]

Yeah, I just get told "You are being executed in the name of S*S, do you have any last words" which is OK I guess but RP could be expanded, that's why you should either just have a gun or just have a pistol, not both. I feel that RP could be expanded a little bit but whatevs.

 

[Chronic Panda]

tell you what i have a scenario where i dont think it's necesary to rp the execution whilst they're down: i have taken a guy hostage and have been rping with him for 10 minuites i warned him before the rp if you lie to me you will be killed, i then ask him questions, and he lies to me, i then set up a firing squad and let him know why he's being executed (lying) and ask him for last words he is then killed by my firing squad, i then walk over to him with a pistol now here what am i ment to say he's given his last words and told him he's gonna die but it's just awkward it just looks like my firing squad is incompetent tbh probably true (sorry sos im kidding please dont burn me) (just me elaborating on @Tommy Shelby point)

Executing someone for being a cop is just as much powergaming as a handheldfacial recognition unit

idk what you're saying here idk if it's a joke or if im too much of a idiot to understand pls help me XD

 

[Joe Macho]

Yeah, I just get told "You are being executed in the name of S*S, do you have any last words" which is OK I guess but RP could be expanded, that's why you should either just have a gun or just have a pistol, not both. I feel that RP could be expanded a little bit but whatevs.

100% agree. 

 

[Lemmen]

tell you what i have a scenario where i dont think it's necesary to rp the execution whilst they're down: i have taken a guy hostage and have been rping with him for 10 minuites i warned him before the rp if you lie to me you will be killed, i then ask him questions, and he lies to me, i then set up a firing squad and let him know why he's being executed (lying) and ask him for last words he is then killed by my firing squad, i then walk over to him with a pistol now here what am i ment to say he's given his last words and told him he's gonna die but it's just awkward it just looks like my firing squad is incompetent tbh probably true (sorry sos im kidding please dont burn me) (just me elaborating on @Tommy Shelby point)

idk what you're saying here idk if it's a joke or if im too much of a idiot to understand pls help me XD

Basically, taking someone hostage for the sole intent of executing them because you don't like them without any expanded RP. Is the same as me arresting you and powergaming the shit out of you so you ultimately get sent to jail. Since I have no way of RPing out of it.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Basically, taking someone hostage for the sole intent of executing them because you don't like them without any expanded RP. Is the same as me arresting you and powergaming the shit out of you so you ultimately get sent to jail. Since I have no way of RPing out of it.

No it isnt? Why should you have to do a two stage execution? You can take any person hostage and kill them so long as the RP is sufficient, why should you have to RP, kill, then RP again, you've shot them to kill them so just execute them, it actually ruins the whole point of executions, especially if you feel a darter could be watching, you want to get out ASAP not mess around repeating everything you've just said. 
Asking people for final words is pointless as they mainly just mess around and roll an essay of their tongue. If you're being executed for a reason from being fully alive then I see no reason as to why you should have to provide two lots of RP for the same outcome. If the RP is shit before the first shot, ask them to TS or whatever but complaining about being executed without RP when you're in an active gun fight / been executed as a hostage is just being clearly pedantic.

 

[Lemmen]

No it isnt? Why should you have to do a two stage execution? You can take any person hostage and kill them so long as the RP is sufficient, why should you have to RP, kill, then RP again, you've shot them to kill them so just execute them, it actually ruins the whole point of executions, especially if you feel a darter could be watching, you want to get out ASAP not mess around repeating everything you've just said. 
Asking people for final words is pointless as they mainly just mess around and roll an essay of their tongue. If you're being executed for a reason from being fully alive then I see no reason as to why you should have to provide two lots of RP for the same outcome. If the RP is shit before the first shot, ask them to TS or whatever but complaining about being executed without RP when you're in an active gun fight / been executed as a hostage is just being clearly pedantic.

putting words in my mouth, I guess it didn't get to you as I meant it

cba to explain C:

 

[Chronic Panda]

Basically, taking someone hostage for the sole intent of executing them because you don't like them without any expanded RP. Is the same as me arresting you and powergaming the shit out of you so you ultimately get sent to jail. Since I have no way of RPing out of it.

aaaaaaaah gotcha yea agreed also your avatar kills me inside