Document Forgery Office

[Ade]

I want to pitch the following suggestion, again with a mind to keep dev work (hopefully) to a minimum.

My suggestion is to implement the document forgers office in to rpuk. It already exists as an MC business in gta online so the set up is already there. Location would be in one of its existing locations within the game up near the airfield in grapeseed. (mckenzie airfield i believe. not far from the lake, overlooked by mount chilliad)

The 2 main items that can be made from it would be as follows -

Fake ID (using paper and plastic) to change your name to something else. Additional, very high cost ($1m+ sorry for the $ sign. keyboard is Australian) would be a permanent name change as you buy a completely new identity from the forger. Clean slate, clean file, everything. However if CID finds out the 2 identities are linked there goes your cash

Fake id would be much simpler and cheaper to make, once circulating in the system could even be used by the Police when doing undercover work if confiscated during arrests. Paper could be made from wood at the sawmill and plastic is already in game and used for various things.

Fake License Plates - Metal (steel?) and Plastic makes new plates to be put on cars that need to be "cleaned" in some way. To provide balance (for the police players) when impounded a car could be flagged as having fake plates or whatever and they get the real info sent through. This would garner an additional charge on the rap sheet for tampering. The mechanic id's the VIN number and they cross check it.

A 3rd option would be more akin to an rp prop and could be simply documents etc or papers of some kind to be used for whatever the heart desires to make fulfilling rp. Example would be a lawyer has papers on him and gets robbed. these are files on a known criminal organisation and important to a trial but are merely a prop for better rp.

 

[Gecko_]

Fake License Plates - Metal (steel?) and Plastic makes new plates to be put on cars that need to be "cleaned" in some way. To provide balance (for the police players) when impounded a car could be flagged as having fake plates or whatever and they get the real info sent through. This would garner an additional charge on the rap sheet for tampering. The mechanic id's the VIN number and they cross check it.

Fake License Plates are on TBJ's dream list, the issue is circumventing the way vehicle plates are used as identifiers in server database or atleast finding a way for it to work and not end up completely getting rid of your cars bcuz they haven't stored probably due to a different plate

 

[Brents]

Fake License Plates are on TBJ's dream list, the issue is circumventing the way vehicle plates are used as identifiers in server database or atleast finding a way for it to work and not end up completely getting rid of your cars bcuz they haven't stored probably due to a different plate

What would be good is to have an option in LS customs to remove the plate at all. Doesnt remove the plate number but removes tha ability for police to scan it.

 

[Gecko_]

What would be good is to have an option in LS customs to remove the plate at all. Doesnt remove the plate number but removes tha ability for police to scan it.

would take a shit ton of dev time, gotta actually add the functionality to remove the plate from every vehicle in the server

 

[ricosky]

This would end up being mostly useless because anyone who has a criminal record significant enough to spend 1 million to remove it would also have their fingerprints on file so their identity would be burned as soon as they were caught, not to mention how are you going to handle the new identities assets? The government would sniff you out pretty quickly if somehow a random persons entire list of assets suddenly was transferred to an identical looking person who only started existing on file recently. Even if you reset fingerprints and somehow handled assets the ability to reset criminal records and gain a completely new identity would be pretty powerful and kind of cheap, if you don't want a record don't get caught.

 

[Ade]

This would end up being mostly useless because anyone who has a criminal record significant enough to spend 1 million to remove it would also have their fingerprints on file so their identity would be burned as soon as they were caught, not to mention how are you going to handle the new identities assets? The government would sniff you out pretty quickly if somehow a random persons entire list of assets suddenly was transferred to an identical looking person who only started existing on file recently. Even if you reset fingerprints and somehow handled assets the ability to reset criminal records and gain a completely new identity would be pretty powerful and kind of cheap, if you don't want a record don't get caught.

Well the record would effectively be wiped. No prints or anything. That was the entire point of the suggestion. There would be no record of the person. 

Its roleplay. Suspend the realism a little. Cyber security is a huge thing these days though and could conceivably be possible. 

I made the suggestion for discussion but don't just dismiss it off hand if you haven't thought much about it. Judging from your post I don't think you have. 

 

[SGT Dean Hastings]

Fake ID's plus one but everything else well, sorry have to disagree. Wiping records clean leaves potential for criminal characters to infiltrate police and even keep doing criminal acts afterwards. Vehicle license plates should stay as they are, having to source civ cars for the purpose of a crime works far better than super duper unidentifiable cars. rpu aren't everywhere and there's only two interceptors. 

You should either have super duper identifiable cars or lesser civ cars. You can get super civ cars IE the infernos easily. Fake license plates are not needed and would be heavily abused.

I am voting -1 until the above two issues are rectified sorry  

 

[Chilli]

fake ids dont change your finger print tho

permanent name change as you buy a completely new identity from the forger. Clean slate, clean file, everything.

 

[ricosky]

Well the record would effectively be wiped. No prints or anything. That was the entire point of the suggestion. There would be no record of the person. 

Its roleplay. Suspend the realism a little. Cyber security is a huge thing these days though and could conceivably be possible. 

I made the suggestion for discussion but don't just dismiss it off hand if you haven't thought much about it. Judging from your post I don't think you have. 

Firstly I think it's a bit rude to say I 'haven't though much about' when I clearly provided some feedback on the suggestion. Getting some fake IDs wouldn't just wipe your fingerprints off the data base, especially if it's managed by police and you couldn't just conceal the records of your vehicle transfers and housing through 'Cybersecurity' when the record keeper is the government itself. But since you evidently consider my input not enough thought I'll add some more.

Secondly, how would CID be able to link back those identities if as you suggested fingerprints are removed? Police have already very limited ways to collect evidence. Fingerprinting and ID cards are some of the only concrete evidence detectives can gather and they can't really link it back by using the subject's face because of how easy it is to change your appearance by removing or adding tattoos, changing hair etc. Which means police would almost never be able to meet a suitable standard of evidence.

Thirdly, as aforementioned by another poster, being able to wipe criminal records would be devastating for server balance if any career criminal could just go on get a fresh identity and be able to join up with the police force and have access to everyone's records, their houses, any investigative reports not to mention the evidence lockup and armoury.

Lastly, it would make it impossible to distinguish someone from their other characters by removing pretty much all other ways to identify someone which is something that can already be quite annoying during roleplay.