Completely no RP with cops.

[Yasleeper]

Hello, so i just wanted to discuss about what happend to me and my friend yesterday. Ive got three situations to discuss. This is a first one. Everything went normal we tried to rob a fuel station, after starting cops arrive ant etc. As normal roleplayers my friend was an "Owner" of the place and i was an "Electrician" that was "fixing" the cables. We just go with the flow when suddenly a Cop decides to ask me REAL technician questions. I was just beyond mad at that point. Imagine if im a 14 year old gamer trying to rp as best as i can i even used my whole construction soundboard. Yet he still asks me real-time technician questions. After i fail to answer them he on purpose checks what i have done in a past few days and fines me a 20k ticket, because i did some robberies yesterday with the same friend. Second situation. Same thing. Us robbing a Fuel station. I wont lie i did a mistake by not putting my MXM in my suv. But this time the cop comes to me and right at it says me to drop my MXM right now or he is gonna shoot me. Afterwards as a "Technician" i just say its a drill, but guess what he says - "Look i dont have time with you guys drop the gun or im gonna take you to the jail" We were trying to roleplay as best as we could by saying its a drill or something, he didnt want to rp at all, its as if he didnt even try to Rp. Im not sure if he broke server rules at this point but if he did i have his name and id. Third situation. This one is not that bad as the other two. Same thing robbing, etc. But this time before he leaves he decides to make me hold my hands up and then he takes all of my money. I was just shocked at that moment. I asked why would he take my money right now. He without answering left with his co workers and i was left with no money.

I dont know what you guys think this is only my opinion, but i think cops are actualy going downwards with their rp'ing.

 

[Riz]

Hello @Yasleeper ! Figured i'd give my input of this, from an Inspector within the APS side! 

*A lot* of fuelstations are robbed daily. It's a very common occurence! More often than not, we get the very exact same bland rp. "I'm fixing the alarms" or "I'm the technician" or "I'm the store owner". Now, This may be a first for you guys! but it's most likely the 10th time we hear the exact same rp.. this week! - Thereby, to not reward the same bland RP, we try to build onto it - See if you actually have knowledge (Perhaps googled a bit into it before doing the rp?) or perhaps even made a fake contract in google docs. This shows you put a lot of effort in, and the rp will be allowed to slide with most cops. 

Whilst it may be frustrating that it didn't go great for you guys - Take into account you're also dealing with people who play the game on a daily basis, who interact with the same situation multiple times a day - It comes a point where you expect that little bit of extra effort, or the rp just seems slack/unrealistic! edit: if you're working on a bank for example, you'd have paperwork to prove it! if your workers couldn't answer technical questions, would you not be concerned?

Hopefully that gives some insight as to why some officers would not be happy with this precise rp - For your next ventures with RP robberies - I'd recommend perhaps googling a bit into the job you're rping, or just making a document in google docs and forwarding it to us on TS, as it adds that nudge that the RP needs to progress! 

Kind regards, INS Riz [9658]

 

[Yasleeper]

Hello @Yasleeper ! Figured i'd give my input of this, from an Inspector within the APS side! 

*A lot* of fuelstations are robbed daily. It's a very common occurence! More often than not, we get the very exact same bland rp. "I'm fixing the alarms" or "I'm the technician" or "I'm the store owner". Now, This may be a first for you guys! but it's most likely the 10th time we hear the exact same rp.. this week! - Thereby, to not reward the same bland RP, we try to build onto it - See if you actually have knowledge (Perhaps googled a bit into it before doing the rp?) or perhaps even made a fake contract in google docs. This shows you put a lot of effort in, and the rp will be allowed to slide with most cops. 

Whilst it may be frustrating that it didn't go great for you guys - Take into account you're also dealing with people who play the game on a daily basis, who interact with the same situation multiple times a day - It comes a point where you expect that little bit of extra effort, or the rp just seems slack/unrealistic! edit: if you're working on a bank for example, you'd have paperwork to prove it! if your workers couldn't answer technical questions, would you not be concerned?

Hopefully that gives some insight as to why some officers would not be happy with this precise rp - For your next ventures with RP robberies - I'd recommend perhaps googling a bit into the job you're rping, or just making a document in google docs and forwarding it to us on TS, as it adds that nudge that the RP needs to progress! 

Kind regards, INS Riz [9658]

I understand, but the questions were so specific you could never ever find it in the internet + i had like 10 seconds and he said i should know it immediatly. This is complete nonsense.

 

[James Travers]

Hello bud,

Just going to clear a few things up with you, whilst I was not involved in any of the situations which you have listed I can get a rough idea of what occurred in each as per your description of it. Firstly, I can understand that you were trying to create a Roleplay scenario with the officers on the scene, however the "I am fixing the register" and/or "I'm fixing the alarms" is quite possibly the most common RP scenario used for fuel station robberies. If a cop responds to 5 fuel station robberies, I would imagine around 3 of which are of people saying "I'm fixing X or Y". Also, I would personally consider the tactic the officer utilized by asking you real questions which a technician should know as rather clever with him using his knowledge on the subject to check how solid your story actually was and long behold, it was as solid as a rubber glove. Also calling your MXM a "Drill" will not resonate with 90% of people, its a gun, we know it is. It's not a fridge or a hoover or "an airsoft gun", again we hear the most bizarre excuses for people having firearms, if you don't want to be caught and charged for having a firearm it's best to conceal it somewhere that we can't see it.

Secondly, the reasoning behind the officer revoking your money is simply because the cash which you had on your person was in fact in the eyes of police "stolen" from the register. As a result you could/will be charged under Section 8 of the Theft Act for Robbery as well as Section 22 of the Theft Act for the handling of stolen goods. As a result said stolen goods/cash can be seized from your person which is what happened in this case. However you should have been informed exactly as to why you were being searched and had the money revoked. 

 

[Riz]

I understand, but the questions were so specific you could never ever find it in the internet + i had like 10 seconds and he said i should know it immediatly. This is complete nonsense.

Think of it like this, within rp. If the officer in question had a previous job as a technician, and asked you specific questions and you didn't know them, he could arrest you for clearly not being who you say you are. High quality rp is not defined by winning the rp every time - Focus more on having a fun situation, if he calls your bluff then well, that's unfortunate, but it's still rp! 

 

[Daanv]

Hello, so i just wanted to discuss about what happend to me and my friend yesterday. Ive got three situations to discuss. This is a first one. Everything went normal we tried to rob a fuel station, after starting cops arrive ant etc. As normal roleplayers my friend was an "Owner" of the place and i was an "Electrician" that was "fixing" the cables. We just go with the flow when suddenly a Cop decides to ask me REAL technician questions.

The thing that i dont understand is the next,

you roleplay to be a technician and an officer than (maby do to his irl job) seems to know a lot about this stuff so then he proceeds to question you seeing that an alarm was triggered and its the police there role to prefent robberies.

so this cop took his time to question you on the validity of your job and you failed the test bad luck.

i dont however see the last point you made in this exact situation as you discribed it;

I dont know what you guys think this is only my opinion, but i think cops are actualy going downwards with their rp'ing.

I feel like this is a situation in what a cop had superior knowledge of electrical engenering and used this to verify your job i dont see a reason to call this a decrease in police roleplay.

after all your a technician that made a alarm go off.

people have to understand that they cant win every situation damn i die like 3 times every time im online and i just keep on going.

now dont take this as a dig towards you i like that you attempt to roleplay instead of trying it the gunfight way 1 up for that.

also this is my opinion and my opinion only not a staff team one

 

[Corrie Healy]

I've seen a lot of replies to this and without reading them I know that many will say what I could just repeat. What I will ask you @Yasleeper is has the overall quality of RP from civs gone down instead of the quality of Police RP going down as Riz said everyday cops will encounter the same bland RP and out of my 600 days in the police I have well encountered over 100 bland storeys ofc I do try my best to be as lenient and give them some leeway if there new or whatever but if your a longstanding member of the community I expect more RP from you than just im a plumber in a ghillie suit. 

This is what I propose to you is how about you take a day to make a unique RP story and think it though, make a doc even and plan it if it a fule station or whatever put time and effort into it instead of a few secs and who knows you might actually get some decent RP. 

Of course, if you feel that you have been wronged by a cop or not rewarded for you RP then brings it up but don't just do a basic post on the forums saying "Completely no RP with cops." and branding all cops with the same brush yes there are cops out there that do deliberately provide no RP for a gunfight but the same can go for a lot of civs that rob gas stations just for a gunfight. 

 

[Mango King]

I'm pretty sure the first situation you encountered myself and another officer. When someone is roleplaying as whatever they choose, I always like to ask them a technical question involving whichever role they have chosen to convince me that they are what they say. Unfortunately for you I am a qualified technician myself so chose to use this knowledge and ask your friend a very basic question any tech would know. To which point your story fell apart and you knew you weren't getting away with it so you proceeded to get angry as I wouldn't go along with your story. All I would say do a little research of the role you want to RP as and this will pay off as your rp will be more in depth and convincing rather than a generic one.

 

[Chilli]

mate jsut have Google ready they will always catch electricians out as same old story a RBA reserve was done today with a Google docs claiming there was rats there they had to take the money to decontaminate them and then they threw smokes into the RBA to "kill" the rats. they all had radiation suits and gas mask as well as vehicles that looked the part and guess what 100% no guns all roleplay

 

[Sirdaanslot]

I'm pretty sure the first situation you encountered myself and another officer. When someone is roleplaying as whatever they choose, I always like to ask them a technical question involving whichever role they have chosen to convince me that they are what they say. Unfortunately for you I am a qualified technician myself so chose to use this knowledge and ask your friend a very basic question any tech would know. To which point your story fell apart and you knew you weren't getting away with it so you proceeded to get angry as I wouldn't go along with your story. All I would say do a little research of the role you want to RP as and this will pay off as your rp will be more in depth and convincing rather than a generic one.

Same for i am also irl an electricien. If i encounter people rping as electriciens most likely they dont what they are talking about. So then i will ask the most simple questions that even my granny knows and they dont know it. Look guys its not that hard to just google the basic european wire colours (yellow/green= ground/earth  brown= live blue= neutral) and in most european countries its 230 Vac with a fuse or automatic fuse of (B)16A if there are uk electriciens here sorry if i butcher some of the terms i am Dutch and only know the dutch jargon. So the conclusion is that i am not askimg you to calculate resistance of a circuit (wich would be pretty cool if you can) but just some basic knowledge is all i am asking.