Cl zIn DENIED

[Lizard Man]

Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name):
Cl zIn
Time & Date this happened:
16-03-15 ~22:40
Which Server did this happen on:
server 1
Description of what happened:
I was driving around in athira with my friends in a cop car, when suddenly a officer starts chasing us. I first tried to drive into the redzone because i knew he wouldn't follow us there. But my friend suggested that we just turned around and stopped him. I made a drift and got ahead of him and stopped, he decided to follow us and stop aswell.  He stepped out of the car and immidiatly started shooting me without saying a word. 
 
Notice that this is not the first time i've had conflicts with this guy, i had a episode earlier but didn't catch that on video, so i decided to drop it.
What Rule Was Broken ?:
Rule 5: Rest of Altis
RDM = Ban if no role-play, Remember this is a serious roleplay community therefore shooting people on sight with no roleplay is RDM, engage in roleplay at all times.
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?:
No
Please post video evidence/screenshots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence, If your report is about RDM then it must be a video leading upto the RDM and after)
 
http://youtu.be/NrIEbU-5ihE

 

[Maratek]

Will sort this Later Thank you for evidence.

 

[Neo]

Going to unlock this, ANYONE NOT INVOLVED AND POSTING WILL RECEIVE A 1 WEEK FORUM BAN!

Firstly, thank-you for your video, in which I've noticed the following things,

1; you were in a stolen police car, there was a chase, this initiated RP
2; why on earth are you shouting Allahu akbar....
3; you were stopped your car, and sprinted at him weapon in hand in an attempt to knock him out, in which he goes down at the same time you died...

Sorry, I have to state this is self defence when someone is sprinting at them with weapon drawn.

Please elaborate how this is RDM?

 

[Zinder]

Ok since this is very serious rp community

How whould the police act in Real life if they are in this situation

3 armed ppl get out off a stolen police car armed pointing guns towards the police man

The police man need to act fast to protect he's own life and take cover he then realized he have a man runing towards him with the gun pointed

He have no chance to escape he have no chance to switch to non leathal he act straight away

So in my opinion this is just redicolus but i do respect your point off View but i dissagree with this silly report

And like neo says why do you screm allu akbar ? And why do you report me on the fact that your only intention was to kill me

Like you guys talking in the video

Best regards
Chief inspector
ziN
Road traffic unit

 

[Kha Zingo]

Alright, so since I was involved in this situation I really want to express my opinion about this matter.

First of all: You were chasing a stolen police vehicle on your own while there were 3 ( probably armed ) rebels in the car. 

You had no back up, you were on your own and you were chasing us. Good RP would be valuing your life in a situation like this right? Call for backup and try to catch these criminals alive and bring back the stolen police vehicle. I've never seen a cop that wants to trade his life for a stolen vehicle. I don't think you did wrong by chasing us there, but if you valued your life you wouldn't have done it by yourself and you would've kept cool untill backup arrived.

Second: We stopped the car and we pulled over, I don't think ANYONE would get the idea to stop and get out of the car when you see 3 armed rebels getting out of there and immediately start shooting. In my opinion you did NOT value your life at all and all you wanted was a firefight, and if I'm wrong, why would you not surrender when it's 1 vs 3? If a rebel started shooting while being outnumbered like that everyone would say it was shit RP, so why not in this case? If we started shooting him for getting out of the car with his weapon drawn and we didn't give him time to surrender we probably would've been in the wrong so why would he not be in the wrong for instantly shooting us?

Third of all: This report isn't about us, it's about CI Zin. So why would you focus on the things you think we did wrong instead of focusing on the things CI Zin did wrong, since this is a report about him not about us? This gives me the feeling you're here to protect your officers instead of being objective about this.

And I have 1 more question, "1; you were in a stolen police car, there was a chase, this initiated RP."

Does this mean we get to shoot every police car that puts on his sirens and makes it clear he's after us without engaging real roleplay first?

I don't think someone could consider this as RDM, I think this is just piss poor RP especially from a CI.

 

[Zinder]

How can i know there is 3 ppl in the car at the first place its dark outside sirens are on lights are on i drive past see a stolen police car

Nightvision is not an option in this case since the lights are on

And you guys jump out off the car after the man how try to knock me out

Its about 1 sec to rejact and the guy who jumped out is at my car allready

Iam aint useing metagame tools and accuse me for bad rp when you guys intention is just to kill

And bad rp ? Your guy run towards a police with weapon and have a weapon him self and just trying To knock out is that value off life in the middel off a car chase not so much value of life there right

If you guys have friendly intentions why jump out with automatic carbines and point them To a police ?

Stop the bullshit Kah zingo we Will have different opinions at it and this is aint rdm

Its exactly the same situations when rebels get a compliance from a police then they start to shot straight away do we cry about it no

 

[Kha Zingo]

If you didn't how many people you were chasing wouldn't it be a very big risk to chase them anyways?

I didn't come here to discuss anything though I just wanted to say my opinion.

 

[Lizard Man]

"[...]you guys intention is just to kill"

I am tired of listening to you all saying that, it's completely ignorant and not true.

I ran out my car towards him not aiming at him at all, as u can see in the video if i wanted to shoot him, wouldn't have done it though the side widows? and  u know why i didn't because i had no fucking intention of just killing, you can see during the video that i desperately scroll though all the chats just to get to side chat so i could have a word with him. So him firering because he though we were going barage him 3 mens is not enough reason to kill.

My first plan was not even to knock u down, i was going to say while u sat in the car that u should lower your weapon/have it holstered and exit with your hands op. But you radicly jumping out of the car and shooting before your character was even rendered proberly is breaking rp.

 

[Lizard Man]

The second thing is that u keep trying to get real life into this, and i dont really think that, that's fair. Here's a list of things an officer would never do.

1.) Initiate a chase that for 3 men without backup

2.) Driving 200km close to a town

3.) Know what the fuck redzone was.

4.) Shoot with a military grade assault riffle or even carry it.

What i am basicly trying to say is, this is not real life, it's a server. Therefor some things has to be compensated. And that results in that the voice of a person has to be used in every single aspect of the game. Which involves everything before shooting. That means that i cannot plan a sneak attack and just shoot a person in kavala for no reason. I must tell him something or have a decent roleplay event beforehand. This means that a chase is not enough roleplay required to shoot me. That's why i consider this RDM.

 

[Lizard Man]

And i dont know if you're incompetent, but going for a straight shootout is NOT valueing your life at all.

The most common and logical thing to do is letting the robbers get what they want. In this case if you had complied with our demands you know aswell as i do, that us shooting you was against the server rules. So that means that's just one of the many ways that you could have survived with your life.

I could come up with countless of scenarios where u could have survived with your life, and trying to keep your life is valueing it, not starting to act hostile and start a shootout with robbers. 

But i am getting in doubt which kind of person your are, a person liking his own posts? I mean come on....

 

[Zinder]

from now on instead off this getting a forum war,  Let admin decide, 

one tip read what i typed next time, i am aint using meta game tool for vehicles, 

• 1.) Initiate a chase that for 3 men without backup,,,,  
• 2.) Driving 200km close to a town
• 3.) Know what the fuck redzone was.
• 4.) Shoot with a military grade assault riffle or even carry it

my answer:

1, how can i know there is 3 guys in a car when the car is registration, to the police owners,

2, Driving 200km close to a town ok have a look at this one


drive fast close to towns as a police ?  check 3.40 into the movie,
3, is there redzone irl ? dont think so m8

4, police have mp5 in the trunk irl, and high caliber rifles,  and since when rebels or kriminals runing around with assult rifels everywere in europe?  mabye in conflict zones but not in UK or anywhere close to it, 

so i dont get the point what you are trying to say,

 

[Lizard Man]

You managed the pick up the weak spots of my argument and reply to it. But how about u give a comment on my other 3 posts aswell please? 

so i dont get the point what you are trying to say,
Here is a answer to your question. Just like written earlier.

What i am basicly trying to say is, this is not real life, it's a server. Therefor some things has to be compensated. And that results in that the voice of a person has to be used in every single aspect of the game. Which involves everything before shooting. That means that i cannot plan a sneak attack and just shoot a person in kavala for no reason. I must tell him something or have a decent roleplay event beforehand. This means that a chase is not enough roleplay required to shoot me. That's why i consider this RDM.

But as u say let the admins decide, but wouldn't u think as me that it would be more fair for a civ/rebel admin to have a final decicion to get the matter taken as objective as possible?

 

[Neo]

"[...]you guys intention is just to kill"

I am tired of listening to you all saying that, it's completely ignorant and not true.

Watch the video, Case rested.

0:48: take out the spike strips and shoot them.

0:50 "why red zone its boring dude".

1:20: runs and aims through window, cop jumps out, runs around to knock him out....

I'd also point out that you never said a single work as you aimed a gun at his face through the car....

3.) Know what the fuck redzone was.

lol.. sorry, but yeah....

ANYWAY, moving forward, there are points brought up here....

 - Keeping a tail on them and calling backup without lights and sirens would of been advantageous.

 - when they stopped their car, drive for some cover first, before initiating, allowing time for your backup to arrive

 - when the guy ran towards the car, attempt to flee?

I understand by the time he got to the window only option is to jump out before adding brain matter to vehicle... and that the shots were self defence in this situation.

 Lessons can be learnt here....

as for the snide comment of 

And I have 1 more question, "1; you were in a stolen police car, there was a chase, this initiated RP."

Does this mean we get to shoot every police car that puts on his sirens and makes it clear he's after us without engaging real roleplay first?

You could, however, repeated poor roleplay has resulted in bans previously. Please don't join those ranks...

Third of all: This report isn't about us, it's about CI Zin. So why would you focus on the things you think we did wrong instead of focusing on the things CI Zin did wrong, since this is a report about him not about us? This gives me the feeling you're here to protect your officers instead of being objective about this.

When we look at reports we look at all the evidence. Take the report a few weeks ago where cops reported an idiot playing music down their mic, and then they executed a restrained guy, the cop got banned too. I spotted it, I set the wheels in motion.

So when you report someone, you're not immune.

I can't call this RDM, but it is poor roleplay, where neither side said a word, and for me, that's where the let down is.

 

[Steph]

Denied - 17/03/15 

SO: You steal a Police Car. Get into a chase. Get out of your car with a GUN in your hand running towards the officer.

I would have blast the shit out of you aswel. You even knocked him out. In NO WAY this would have not been a non threatening situation. That you guys were up for no good is something everyone can see. I will not argue about this decision. It's denied and thats the end of the story.