Businesses (UPDATED)

[Mark]

Businesses In RPUK
Reworded​

Businesses in RPUK has undoubtedly been used for nothing other than just money grabs with no roleplay involved, no events, no discount sales just log on for restock and put up a few tweets.

Many times I have witnessed just people buying shops and not attempting to create any roleplay or events with that shop and I find that to be unfair for people who genuinely want to do something with a shop in RPUK, there are a select bunch of businesses that I can name that have created roleplay events/discounts to get their name more out there and some just sit there and restock every storm or just don't restock at all and just put money in the till to keep the place from being revoked which in my opinion is selfish.

My time in this server I have always wanted to own a business and create roleplay with it, I wanted to make this suggestion to bring awareness and maybe get something done about this and there are people genuinely that have employment under many different businesses which again just creates unfair balance in my opinion.

With this suggestion I hope it motivates businesses to do more with their business instead of just leaving it there to collect dust or just restock it once in a while, be creative.

Now onto the actual suggestion and what I would feel like should be done to make it more fairer for the community - 

1. Criminal Records

As said below on my old post of this, businesses create a legal front for criminals which I did not mention and I take the blame on that because I genuinely wrote this on my phone in bed, I like the idea of this roleplay scenario of having a business to cover up your illegal activities.

This creates a gateway to say "No I don't do _____ I work at: _____" and will help greatly in court cases and police in general, this creates great roleplay scenarios.

Also this takes away from doing illegal stuff 24/7 they have a business to operate.

2. Multiple Same Employee's

I want to add on this because I genuinely don't see this as realistic nor fair on the server, having multiple businesses with the same people as employees is basically a massive money gatekeep, I genuinely know so many people who would be dedicated to waking up, putting events on, doing some discounts (with owners permission).

Whether it be a clock on service or just more employee slots,  maybe people have a manager role in the businesses so it'll be possible for multiple people to be under the same businesses but I still feel like that is a bit of a stretch of being unfair, but hey I am open to debates on this, feel free to discuss down below of this thread.

3. Business Monitors

I would love a Business Inspector to come into RPUK to test the standards of businesses, imagine one day getting a call saying "Hello I am _______ Business Inspector, I would like to talk to you about your business and my concerns"

If the person follows along and goes through with the roleplay it will show who is business worthy and who isn't, stop making businesses about how much money the owner has and who is willing to yeah make profit but also make the business as saturated and well known as possible, create competition.

This job no doubt going to have to be either whitelisted or done by someone that is trusted within the staff team to do this job unbiasedly, because knowing someone they'd write up an application and then do the absolute opposite and get bored with it and not try to keep it fun.

This job will be basically an overseer for businesses see if they're ran correctly.

4. Make more businesses

Instead of taking away businesses because hey we know how that would go, the amount of frustration, implement businesses whether small or big ones give people the opportunity to apply through roleplay and not through forms, characters need to work for it.

If I saw "Interviews being held for this shop contact this number: ________" I would be roleplaying out some outfits, using emotes and /me, try and convince the people giving the business.

So I feel like this would be the easiest option.

I don't know what else to add to this I just genuinely want businesses to be proper businesses, not just sit there and collect dust, I would honestly dedicate sometime to sitting in the shop I own, ringing up customers, restocking roleplaying it out.

Let me know your opinions, if you disagree tell me why, if you agree tell me why!

 

[Anonymous Monkey]

My stance on this is that owning businesses as an OCG gives you that legal front as you mentioned. IMO it is good roleplay for a OCG to own businesses at it gives them the in-character excuse to be making large sums of cash.

 

[Bmav]

I have to say i agree with business owners giving more opportunities to random people, the only issue i have and probably the same with most business owners is the fact that you can't really monitor it very well and i believe that's why most people just employee people they know are trustworthy and let's be honest sure it can go to court but its just gonna be such a long process considering you will have to see what they took from the till and from the shop itself and probably something that will happen way to often (maybe i am wrong but thats what i think).

As for the people that don't even give a shit to stock their shop those shouldn't have a shop but i believe thats why the Chamber of commerce is a thing so it is probably something thats being sorted little by little.

If there was some sort of ability of making business owners being able to limit what can be done by each employee, it would be a +1 to this thread if you ask me in the terms of employeeing randoms.

As for the dealerships would just like to mention that Ahmed from Benefactor (and the ones you mentioned) also gets involved in alot of stuff and as for the rest of the owners i agree there is alot of people that own dealerships and don't really do much with their space but at the same not all the dealerships have vehicles that are really popular demand like hardwick and autocare because some people decide to sell everything straight away instead of looking at the future which is kinda of previous dealership owners mistakes and not so much for the ones that get dealerships recently. (Basically meaning that in my opinion they should be more limited in the amount of good vehicles they can bring per month)

As for gangs owning businesses it will probably be bias me saying it because obviously i am in a gang but i don't see an issue  if they own a few businesses, and they actually: use them, stock them, do events, employee other people, or order stuff from trucking companies to make more jobs  I don't see a problem if they do any of these.

 

[Mark]

I have to say i agree with business owners giving more opportunities to random people, the only issue i have and probably the same with most business owners is the fact that you can't really monitor it very well and i believe that's why most people just employee people they know are trustworthy and let's be honest sure it can go to court but its just gonna be such a long process considering you will have to see what they took from the till and from the shop itself and probably something that will happen way to often (maybe i am wrong but thats what i think).

As for the people that don't even give a shit to stock their shop those shouldn't have a shop but i believe thats why the Chamber of commerce is a thing so it is probably something thats being sorted little by little.

If there was some sort of ability of making business owners being able to limit what can be done by each employee, it would be a +1 to this thread if you ask me.

As for the dealerships would just like to mention that Ahmed from Benefactor (and the ones you mentioned) also gets involved in alot of stuff and as for the rest of the owners i agree there is alot of people that own dealerships and don't really do much with their space but at the same not all the dealerships have vehicles that are really popular demand like hardwick and autocare because some people decide to sell everything straight away instead of looking at the future which is kinda of previous dealership owners mistakes and not so much for the ones that get dealerships recently. (Basically meaning that in my opinion they should be more limited in the amount of good vehicles they can bring per month)

As for gangs owning businesses it will probably be bias me saying it because obviously i am in a gang but i don't see an issue  if they own a few businesses, and they actually: use them, stock them, do events, employee other people, or order stuff from trucking companies to make more jobs  I don't see a problem if they do any of these.

The only reason I said about gangs is that sometimes they don't even stock them or do anything with the business - it's sad to see happen.

I genuinely want something to be done about people not doing much with their shops, I for example I would honestly do discount prices, i'd make an advertisement video like you see on TV, I would do sponsorships and more, I just hate seeing businesses sat there empty with no proper business going on, just a shell with stuff inside.

I did type this suggestion on my phone but yes Ahmed as well but there are people that will just only log on to get stocks in and then log off it's upsetting to say the least.

As for gangs yeah as long as they provide the roleplay around it and keep it going properly then yes, Strawberry Pawnshop does really good roleplay in experience, I am not sure on any other businesses, I want to exclude Mechanic businesses because they are always providing good roleplay at the place and around it.

I just genuinely want more opportunities for people who genuinely want to work their way up in the city.

 

[Bmav]

The only reason I said about gangs is that sometimes they don't even stock them or do anything with the business - it's sad to see happen.

I genuinely want something to be done about people not doing much with their shops, I for example I would honestly do discount prices, i'd make an advertisement video like you see on TV, I would do sponsorships and more, I just hate seeing businesses sat there empty with no proper business going on, just a shell with stuff inside.

I did type this suggestion on my phone but yes Ahmed as well but there are people that will just only log on to get stocks in and then log off it's upsetting to say the least.

As for gangs yeah as long as they provide the roleplay around it and keep it going properly then yes, Strawberry Pawnshop does really good roleplay in experience, I am not sure on any other businesses, I want to exclude Mechanic businesses because they are always providing good roleplay at the place and around it.

I just genuinely want more opportunities for people who genuinely want to work their way up in the city.

I agree i do think chamber of commerce maybe needs to be more strict with certain businesses depending on their activities and how well they are running their business.

 

[Mark]

My stance on this is that owning businesses as an OCG gives you that legal front as you mentioned. IMO it is good roleplay for a OCG to own businesses at it gives them the in-character excuse to be making large sums of cash.

That is true!

 

[Father]

The reason I sold pdm was purely cause I didn't have time to run it and I didn't want to just stock cars and not be there with 0 RP, so I knew my time was up with it, it's sad seeing businesses just being stocked and left alone to make its money wish there was more RP, and I know 229 will take good care of pdm 

 

[Mark]

The reason I sold pdm was purely cause I didn't have time to run it and I didn't want to just stock cars and not be there with 0 RP, so I knew my time was up with it, it's sad seeing businesses just being stocked and left alone to make its money wish there was more RP, and I know 229 will take good care of pdm 

With 229 being owners of PDM I instantly was told they were doing an event on the 25th and I instantly was excited, because no matter how small or big the event will be, it's effort and I am super happy.

I just wished people either put effort into it and stay with it and not just stock it and leave it or just leave it with money inside each month.

 

[Mark]

Anonymous Monkey @Bmav- I have redone this suggestion if you guys want to re-read or re do your inputs.

 

[Nikolai]

Hello CoC person here, guess i just want to say my part in stuff mentioned, atleast regarding CoC or likewise stuff.
 

Instead of taking away businesses because hey we know how that would go, the amount of frustration, implement businesses whether small or big ones give people the opportunity to apply through roleplay and not through forms, characters need to work for it.

If I saw "Interviews being held for this shop contact this number: ________" I would be roleplaying out some outfits, using emotes and /me, try and convince the people giving the business.

So I feel like this would be the easiest option.

Who would be doing the interviews?
how would the interviews work?
unless it's the old owner selling it, it will most likely go through CoC, which to say it nicely, is not the easiest, Nor the best option.
what if people that are actually interested in it aren't on due to different reasons(that being personal/banned and so on)
on the first from we did, we had 80~ responses to it, 40% of those being for the same business, with alot of great(and long) replies, which takes it time to go through.
and what if let's say 2/5 people in the group that has to decide is there? how would you expect them to send over all the stuff they gathered(videos, statements) to the remaining 3 people that still need to decide for it to not be biased from the 2 people?
i myself wish we had a quicker way to deal with the interest from people that we get almost everytime, but it's not possible without the forms, interviews ingame are done, if you are a lucky man/woman and get chosen to be called in for one.

I would love a Business Inspector to come into RPUK to test the standards of businesses, imagine one day getting a call saying "Hello I am _______ Business Inspector, I would like to talk to you about your business and my concerns"

If the person follows along and goes through with the roleplay it will show who is business worthy and who isn't, stop making businesses about how much money the owner has and who is willing to yeah make profit but also make the business as saturated and well known as possible, create competition.

This job no doubt going to have to be either whitelisted or done by someone that is trusted within the staff team to do this job unbiasedly, because knowing someone they'd write up an application and then do the absolute opposite and get bored with it and not try to keep it fun.

This job will be basically an overseer for businesses see if they're ran correctly.

Part of CoC's stuff to do if we have a reason to.

I agree i do think chamber of commerce maybe needs to be more strict with certain businesses depending on their activities and how well they are running their business.

As for the people that don't even give a shit to stock their shop those shouldn't have a shop but i believe thats why the Chamber of commerce is a thing so it is probably something thats being sorted little by little.

we do look into businesses, though it's hard to keep track of all businesses when we do have 90 or so i believe atm.
if you know of a business that is inactive(low stock and stuff) make a ticket, let us know, we'll look into it, and go from there(though be aware, letting us know of vacant businesses doesn't guarantee you get it ).

i think that's it?
i can almost promise that everyone in CoC wants businesses to be given out quick as much as you all want it to, but we need to make sure we get a good person to take it.

 

[KCAJ]

With 229 being owners of PDM I instantly was told they were doing an event on the 25th and I instantly was excited, because no matter how small or big the event will be, it's effort and I am super happy.

I just wished people either put effort into it and stay with it and not just stock it and leave it or just leave it with money inside each month.

As a member of 229 and part owner of PDM, this will absolutely not be the case with PDM. Cars won’t just be stocked and money taken out, that’s not what a business is about! We have a lot of plans in the works, things that suit lots of different RP Scenarios, whilst the basic raffles auctions are fun only one person is gaining something at the end. I’m going to be posting my ideas on the forums soon to get a grasp of the interest, and whilst it will be us running the event we want others input to make these events more inclusive and better! 
 

let’s see what the future brings. 
 

KC

 

[Mark]

Who would be doing the interviews?

I feel like this would be a trusted job, I don't know who specifically but I would like to see someone in this role who is unbiased, maybe The Firm? They set my business up with an office in the gallery.

how would the interviews work?

An advertisement will be put out, a place like an office area (like in the gallery) where interviews will be conducted, questions about motives of the business about whether they will continue with this business a few months down the line or will they just seek a short term agreement?

This will test people's roleplay and instead of a form on google docs where someone just types up a story and a few ideas they can roleplay it out, I think this will enforce proper roleplay instead of just sitting there anxiously waiting to see who gets a business.

But yeah I do feel like someone interviews them in an office, ask them questions about their strengths, their time availability, criminal record (If they do, then see what they're doing to improve their life) it's just the small things.

unless it's the old owner selling it, it will most likely go through CoC, which to say it nicely, is not the easiest, Nor the best option.

I feel like people should be given opportunities through businesses being gone through CoC, also owners sometimes are just selfish and greedy and don't wanna do anything with the business but earn money from it, or just have it there, put the rent in every month and it wont get taken away, it's just unfair imo.

what if people that are actually interested in it aren't on due to different reasons(that being personal/banned and so on)

So here's another thing I would like to mention, people need to use the business slots to their advantage and employ people, have a log of money written down on a notepad and if something is missing roleplay it out with your employees.

If someone does not have the time to run a business that is when they either,

1. Hire someone to help out or make a staff team for their business, have a manager role and a few employees to help out.
2. Sell it to someone

If they are banned for let's say... a week, that's fine, a month? yeah a bit of a stretch but not too bad, let's say a perm ban shall we?

If someone is permanently banned from the server and isn't coming back anytime soon then I feel like that is when the job role I suggested would step in and monitor the business.

Because in reality if you are deported for a very long time the business wouldn't work out that well, if I had a shop and was banned permanently I would be a bit bummed out to find out my business had been sold but I would understand why it would've been sold to someone else.

With personal I can understand not everyone has all day to play the server however there are people who do have the time just can't be bothered only log on to stock the shop or put money in there to prevent it being lost.

on the first from we did, we had 80~ responses to it, 40% of those being for the same business, with alot of great(and long) replies, which takes it time to go through.
and what if let's say 2/5 people in the group that has to decide is there? how would you expect them to send over all the stuff they gathered(videos, statements) to the remaining 3 people that still need to decide for it to not be biased from the 2 people?

I can understand it is a lengthy process and takes a lot of time to do first of all i'd like to get that out of the way.

I personally said this job should be done by one person to not have that happen - But as CoC is a thing let's just say yeah this situation is happening - 

I would honestly make it unbiased by having it recorded, uploaded and to have a meeting with the people in CoC and just go through the video, getting their inputs, seeing the strengths and weaknesses, look for any misinformation from the interview to the form, just a simple meeting could make things go quicker however people are busy and it takes time.

I would love to be able to have a look and see how it is ran in CoC, I would honestly if given the chance help out maybe suggest a faster more efficient way to get stuff done - I would say if the interview happened and 2/5 CoC were there have it recorded via CCTV or Audio, then set up a meeting with 5/5 of CoC go through it together, have it playing and review it together, have inputs of weaknesses and strengths and compare your data and whoever gets the most strengths they get it?

I am trying to think because Mark works for Clinton Fuel at the minute and we hosted interviews with Sammy and Drex as they're both higher ups in Clinton and we all sat there giving our opinions and sharing how we think this would benefit the business in this case of CoC it would be how it would benefit the server.

i think that's it?

The only problem at the moment is that I feel like there should be a re-look over all the businesses and see how they are ran which don't get me wrong it takes a LOT of time but it is worth looking into, hopefully it would motivate the owners more if this does happen.

i can almost promise that everyone in CoC wants businesses to be given out quick as much as you all want it to, but we need to make sure we get a good person to take it.

I don't think there is any doubt and again I will say this under any post, I feel like staff/devs work is much appreciated within the server and to the people who don't appreciate it I feel like have not been in a staff environment or "job".

Nikolai I wanted to also thank you for taking your time to write up everything if you want more clearance on anything above please do not hesitate to let me know!

As a member of 229 and part owner of PDM, this will absolutely not be the case with PDM. Cars won’t just be stocked and money taken out, that’s not what a business is about! We have a lot of plans in the works, things that suit lots of different RP Scenarios, whilst the basic raffles auctions are fun only one person is gaining something at the end. I’m going to be posting my ideas on the forums soon to get a grasp of the interest, and whilst it will be us running the event we want others input to make these events more inclusive and better! 
 

let’s see what the future brings. 
 

KC

I, no doubt see the potential you lot will bring to PDM and I hope to see more events for PDM in the near future, that one was amazing and quite honestly was a lot of people there for raffles and refuels/repairs/washes it was just amazing to the point of randoms being outdone, they didn't even have a chance to ruin the event properly.

So I cannot wait to see more!