Be a cop and gang member / metagaming

[Fruityrudy]

Hey guys , i want to tell ya a story that happend to us 2 days ago cause it keeps going in my mind and getting me pissed

Me and some other members from Serco security where setting up to do a coke run with the guys as 1 certain member came in the ts channel and asked what we where doing ?!? We told him that we where doing a coke run and he instantly left the channel

Then about 10/15 minutes later the coke field got raided by all the cops that where online together with our serco member that also plays as a cop ..... He was the first one who shot 2 members from serco and the others also got wiped out .... All vehicles got scrapped aswell , he scrapped aswell ..

I think it is a stupid and useless rule that people can be cops and be in a gang

Please go and change this rule and make people choose what role they take while playing altis life cause this is not realistic like this

What do you guys think of this ?!?

And plz admins reply also , i wanna know

Greetings Fruityrudy

 

[Kris!]

A: I presume you're not a cop.

B: You talk about it being realistic, but how manytjmes a week so you pull out a HEMTT and just go me grind 1.2 million pounds of coke?

C: Report your friend, not every single police officer.

 

[Fruityrudy]

A: i am no cop indeed.

B: i dont do coke runs alot.

C: i am not reporting anyone since i didnt called out a name.

D: i was just giving my opinion on this issue that i know of alot more people think the same about

 

[Maratek]

Right two modes engage.

CSI Maratek

Hello I am sorry this has happened,

Would you be so kind as to provide me with the name of the officer in confidence via pm or on teamspeak. This is meta gaming in the extreme and I will not stand for it. We have a multitude of ways of detecting criminals without resorting to cheap tricks and meta gaming. I would very much like this matter investigated, if you could provide me any video evidence or perhaps some screen shots I can build a picture.

Admin Maratek

This is something I discussed with the other admins last night but I was rather rudely disconnected. It is becoming an issue and the police force was told in the meeting to stop all ideas,of meta gaming just because someone is in a gang doesn't and shouldn't affect any predjudice. Realistically everyone should be treated equally and if this isn't the case this shall be dealt with.

Please see here

The following rules are server rules that apply to the Altis Police Department, These rules are in addition to the current server rules published here

Rules for Civilians interacting with Police:

PCSO's and CSO's may NOT be taken hostage. They are instructed to respawn if they are taken hostage.

Please take into consideration how many police per day you are taking hostage so we do not go back to a previous level where police could not play!

Anyone found breaking the following rules may be dismissed from the Police.

Before connecting to the server in a Police slot all police must connect to teamspeak.

Police are not allowed to leak any information on tactics or current wanted list information to civilians or gangs.

Police must not sell there equipment or give it away.

Police must never leave role play, Do not say in game for example " I am reporting you", If you need to speak with a civilian out of character you must message them using the message system and ask them to come on Teamspeak

Police may play as CIV/Rebels under a different name however anyone in the police may not deal with anyone in there own gang, they must call in other officers to deal with them.

When police play as a rebel they must erase all memory of being a cop and visa versa when your playing as a cop you may not hold any vendettas against the other gangs or people.

These rules are subject to change so please make sure you check back regularly

Please see the last paragraph these are the current police rules and as you see by the last paragraph your report highlights a violation of the final part. Please be in contact and we can resolve this issue any monies owed can be sorted by myself for unfair treatment as in reality this is an extreme case of meta gaming.

Maratek

 

[Davros]

In regards to the issue of "Cops playing gangsters" thing, isn't it inevitable that a player is going to use Police knowledge to their advantage. So they are supposed to forget their other life and roleplay as a separate character- fair enough. However, it is extremely difficult to prove whether they are actually doing so: It's not something you can bandicam. For example: Cop A plays 2 hours patrolling around Athira. After restart comes on as a drug smuggler in possession of knowledge of current Police patrols and deployments and redirects their gang to avoid Athira. Even the most honest player would struggle NOT to use that knowledge to their advantage. 

I'm not saying cops shouldn't have the option to play gangster... but perhaps we could consider that character to be the same person acting as a crooked cop informing the Gang. So an arrest or a proven gang connection could be grounds for removal from the police force; plenty of great roleplay possibility there (I'm working undercover...*wink*). 

 

[Fruityrudy]

Thanks for this reply Maratek i will do some research on this and let you know soon

 

[Neo]

Futher to Marateks post;

Police that play rebel are instructed it's a separate life in a separate universe, cop Neo and rebel Flamez have never met each-other, don't even know each-other exist, and don't even exist in the same reality. 

When Flamez is online, there's no such person as SI Neo, There's just some SI, who's currently not on duty who's name I don't know, and dont care as he is not on duty.

When Neo's online, who's Flamez? and why would I care?

they dont know each-others friends, they're not friends with eachothers friends, they do not co-exist...

end of...

 

[Simon-]

I was the pilot for the TFU group that did the raid on the coke field and and the person that you're talking about had no input to what happened. We had just finished at the bank and while flying back to Athira we discussed doing a lap of the coke route, Field>Processing>Dealer, to see if we could catch anyone in the act. While we were at HQ tidying up some cars that hadn't been impounded the person in question joined our TS channel and asked if he could join us on our mission (He had no idea what we were planning and we had already decided what we were doing) We then flew up towards the coke field and at no point did said person mention that he knew of people at the coke field or suggest that we should go there. He didn't even give us any information when we said we were going there...  

I can see it was unfortunate timing and can understand your concern regarding this member but you can be assured he gave no information to us. With regard to what happened on the ground from what I heard over teamspeak no one shot until shot at and where possible non lethal was used. Now who got the kill is more likely to be related the various positions TFU to up around the field in relation to where you guys were and the vehicles would have been scrapped regardless of whether the person you are concerned about was there.

From my point of view there was no influence between the members rebel and police life and I feel by not participating in the firefight and not assisting with scrapping vehicles he would then be letting his rebel life influence what he was doing as a police officer... 

On a side note the SCO member who mysteriously lost connection while being transported back to HQ... In the future if you do DC like that, then are on Teamspeak when we look when back at base this does not reflect well on you. Now if it was a genuine DC, so be it, just message one of the cops on TS and let them know, but as it was left it looked rather convenient from our point of view.