Baiting?

[Liam]

Is creating Roadblocks still considered baiting for a gunfight by police? Also is a full rebel gang of say 5/6 all set up and such robbing a gas station baiting for a gunfight? Ive robbed a few petrol stations n made a few roadblocks and always get called out for "baiting for a gunfight" n its getting very confusing as  robbable petrol stations are in the server for a reason, also there is no written rule for making a roadblock to rob people n trucks. 

 

[andy]

I remember one roadblock where some gangs had taken over agios (not sure which ones) and they where rping between sides while operating a gun fight which shows theirs possiblity in role-playing 

 

[Lewis Capone]

Pulled up to a fuel station robbery earlier, was around 6-8 heavily armed rebels, believe it was rM. IMO it's not really baiting because in RP terms you don't really know what you're going to get from the fuel shop robbery. Could also RP that one of them needed fuel and they didn't want to pay so the rest stuck around in case shit went down. 

Road blocks also I wouldn't consider as baiting because you're likely to come across 10+ civ vehicles before a police one.

 

[Scott1sh]

Never understood why Rebels would ever want to rob a Gas station unless for some HQ RP, 18k wouldn't even get you 10 x 6.5mm mags never mind splitting it 5/6 ways lol

But having half an army setup around a gas station to lure cops into a gunfight could be considered baiting, i speak from experience when i used to be a rebel we robbed stations to rob/kidnap cops.

Roadblocks are a bit of a grey area, if you are doing it to say tax people for safe passage through an area or rob people of drugs that's what armed gangs would do

 

[Kaostic]

Personally I'm fine with gangs robbing petrol stations or setting up Road blocks, provided it actually is for rp purposes and they don't just try to rob cops when they show up. 

 

[BennyBait]

Think its harsh for a rebel gang having a few back up snipers to be classes as 'baiting'; you might give a great RP story, but there's always that guy who will deny it and try to arrest you.

 

[Madmatt150]

Think its harsh for a rebel gang having a few back up snipers to be classes as 'baiting'; you might give a great RP story, but there's always that guy who will deny it and try to arrest you.

The only thing with that is be careful, if the police spot said snipers the who RP story could go out the window.

I.E So, your here fixing the alarm at the Fuel station,

Yes Officer,

Then why do you have men with guns pointing them towards us?

ummm,

Hands up

 

[BennyBait]

The only thing with that is be careful, if the police spot said snipers the who RP story could go out the window.

I.E So, your here fixing the alarm at the Fuel station,

Yes Officer,

Then why do you have men with guns pointing them towards us?

ummm,

Hands up

'They have nothing to do with me'

Sorted...

 

[Kaostic]

'They have nothing to do with me'

Sorted...

If this happened, I'd ask the person in question to put their hands up and I'd restrain them, putting them in safety till the snipers were dealt with. 

 

[BennyBait]

If this happened, I'd ask the person in question to put their hands up and I'd restrain them, putting them in safety till the snipers were dealt with. 

This is my exact point of having back up snipers when restrain happy cops like yourself comes along.

 

[Madmatt150]

'They have nothing to do with me'

Sorted...

But then we all know,

Police arrest said snipers,

Guy in fuel station takes gun, shots cops.

Honestly, if your going to commit to RP commit. Yes it can fail, yes people might not believe you, but why it has to end in a gunfight is crazy. Let the otherside win. As a cop I do let rebels go, I ignore wanted levels, heck something I don't even ANPR. It can be fun and painful to let the other side win, but AltisLife is not about winning all the time, Altislife is about an experience, letting the police/rebels/civs/UNMC win is fun. 

More cops and rebels need to chill out on the, I'm going to win thing.

 

[BennyBait]

But then we all know,

Police arrest said snipers,

Guy in fuel station takes gun, shots cops.

Honestly, if your going to commit to RP commit. Yes it can fail, yes people might not believe you, but why it has to end in a gunfight is crazy. Let the otherside win. As a cop I do let rebels go, I ignore wanted levels, heck something I don't even ANPR. It can be fun and painful to let the other side win, but AltisLife is not about winning all the time, Altislife is about an experience, letting the police/rebels/civs/UNMC win is fun. 

More cops and rebels need to chill out on the, I'm going to win thing.

Well I disagree

 

[Kaostic]

This is my exact point of having back up snipers when restrain happy cops like yourself comes along.

It's not me being "restrain happy", as you put it, it's me valuing my life and yours. If somebody has a gun pointed in my general direction and I'm dealing with a current situation, I'd rather put you in a safe spot, deal with the situation in hand, then continue with your situation. 

As Madmatt said, RP can fail the same as a gun fight can, but bringing guns to an RP situation will more than likely end in a gun fight. It's like trying to RP out of a gun fight. It probably won't work. 

 

[Rossss]

Liam, as fair as I see it if you have a good roleplay purpose than you're fine if you ask me.

put their hands up and I'd restrain them

Not talking about this specific incident but I see the whole hands up thing a lot more often. Can someone please tell me the last time they seen a British police officer tell an unarmed person to put their hands behind their head or they'll be tased for "resisting arrest". I have never heard of this, especially at traffic stops etc so why do the newer cops do this?

 

[Liam]

Liam, as fair as I see it if you have a good roleplay purpose than you're fine if you ask me.

Not talking about this specific incident but I see the whole hands up thing a lot more often. Can someone please tell me the last time they seen a British police officer tell an unarmed person to put their hands behind their head or they'll be tased for "resisting arrest". I have never heard of this, especially at traffic stops etc so why do the newer cops do this?

Fair enough, we were talking to some rebels in agios n cops showed up and asked us to leave so we left, but over the past week cops have been tasing us, not valuing life and theyre getting slaughtered then we get called out for baiting for a gunfight. Fair enough if were doing a weed run, its illegal cops need to try and stop but we asked the police to leave at the processing as we didnt want any trouble. They left then came back 5 minutes later and initiated. It was 13 rebels vs 6 cops.

We even had a cop tonight who tased our mate n was probably gonna scrap his brand new hellcat for landing on a mountain n we asked him multiple times to let him go and we'll leave 7vs2 cops (PCSO) put his hands up. The SGT kept saying "put your guns down" n "we have multiple police in the area" one of our guys even got fed up of him stalling for around 5 mins n popped him (ofcourse lethally initiated). Its unbelievable.

@Rossss

 

[Kaostic]

Liam, as fair as I see it if you have a good roleplay purpose than you're fine if you ask me.

Not talking about this specific incident but I see the whole hands up thing a lot more often. Can someone please tell me the last time they seen a British police officer tell an unarmed person to put their hands behind their head or they'll be tased for "resisting arrest". I have never heard of this, especially at traffic stops etc so why do the newer cops do this?

The difference is, in Britain, there aren't people with semi-automatic rifles running around. Also, there's usually more police on a scene like that to help deal with "other situations".

I do this purely so 1) they don't become a threat in this new situation and 2) so they don't run off and we can continue our RP.

 

[Rossss]

The difference is, in Britain, there aren't people with semi-automatic rifles running around. Also, there's usually more police on a scene like that to help deal with "other situations".

I do this purely so 1) they don't become a threat in this new situation and 2) so they don't run off and we can continue our RP.

As mentioned in my example, person is unarmed.

If you want a compliant person in cuffs quickly (which should really be avoided) then sure go for it, but explain why and then ask them to turn around and put their hands behind their back. It is a bit more realistic than putting their hands up or be tased...

 

[Rossss]

We even had a cop tonight who tased our mate n was probably gonna scrap his brand new hellcat for landing on a mountain n we asked him multiple times to let him go and we'll leave 7vs2 cops (PCSO) put his hands up. The SGT kept saying "put your guns down" n "we have multiple police in the area" one of our guys even got fed up of him stalling for around 5 mins n popped him (ofcourse lethally initiated). Its unbelievable

My hellcat was shot at (no not warning shots, they hit me) a while back by police because I was hovering outside city limits above 150m. So no laws broken.

To be fair the newer police are getting worse and most of them focus on shooting/arresting(/talking on teamspeak instead of talking to you) rather than actual roleplay. About a month and a half ago a PC shot me in the head about 15 seconds after I got out my car with binos... because he was apparantly told to...

TLDR: Most new police officers are getting worse at RP and it needs to be fixed in my opinion

 

[Mr Laurens]

I personally hate the fact when officers restrain people quickly. It limits the rp alot, if ur a rebel u got nowhere to go while in restraints. I notice the newer cops always want to "win" somehow but they need to understand its okay to loose sometimes. It has to be fun for both sides

But back on the subject, i think it depends on the situation if u go and actually look for a gunfight it can be classed as baiting but if its an safety measure for u to get out safe its a different story