'Bad Initiation'

[[TRX] GHOSTK1LL3R]

Howdy there, one thing i've been seeing in a few forum reports is 'bad initiation'. Here is an example of one of the forum reports I am talking about:





Now, the reason I bring this up is how is what the accused player doing is bad initiation? He states clearly that he has friends in the area who are hostile. He gives plenty of time for the cops to comply and yet he is the one that is being forced to say sorry?

This report should be on the other foot; the cops have just been threatened with their life. However, they completely ignore the fact that they're being told they're surrounded and pretend like nothing is happening. To my understanding, that is blatant not caring for your life. You state how this is a 'serious roleplay server' and yet the cops in the video ignore warnings given with ample time to comply when being threatened with their life? 

I come from a much more serious background RP server than this one and something like this would get the cops banned not the person who imitated. I understand servers are different but if this server expects 'high quality roleplay' then the cops are in the wrong here not the one who gave them ample warning to comply. 

 

[Shambala12]

Yes this is poor initiation also it's ruining the RP with the medics. There was also not enough time to comply with the demands. 

 

[Kaostic]

If some hobo runs up, no visible weapon, shouts "hands up, I have snipers in the area", then jumps in a car and drives off, where does that leave any sort roleplay? It not only completely shuts down the roleplay the medic was having, but also shuts down the the potential roleplay the police and hobo would have had.

Now, the reason I bring this up is how is what the accused player doing is bad initiation? He states clearly that he has friends in the area who are hostile. He gives plenty of time for the cops to comply and yet he is the one that is being forced to say sorry?

You have a very odd definition of "clearly states" and "plenty of time". If you feel that this is an appropriate way to initiate, you may want to observe some more players before deciding to initiate yourself so you don't end up in this situation too.

I come from a much more serious background RP server than this one and something like this would get the cops banned not the person who imitated. I understand servers are different but if this server expects 'high quality roleplay' then the cops are in the wrong here not the one who gave them ample warning to comply. 

"High quality roleplay" doesn't mean you believe every Tom, Dick, and Hobo that runs up to you and shouts at you. Think about how that would play out in real life? If the Hobo had waited around for a few moments longer, he would have been told to pop his hands on his head so that the police could talk to him about his potential threat on their life. Nobody, and I mean nobody, would put their hands up for some random hobo, no weapon, and no visible back-up.

 

[blaze1981]

if you think an unarmed hobo in jesus sandals running up to cops and screaming you have snipers in the area is an acceptable form of initiation then im sorry but you really dont have the right kind of handle on what kind of environment we are trying to create here and may be better off going back to your more serious roleplay community where that kind of shit is acceptable 

 

[[TRX] GHOSTK1LL3R]

Yes this is poor initiation also it's ruining the RP with the medics. There was also not enough time to comply with the demands. 

Regarding the 'ruining RP with medics'; that doesn't matter. There is no preference to what form of RP is > another type of RP. How wasn't there enough time to comply with demands? There was plenty time given in that video for that person to comply. The reason they didn't comply is because they didn't want to comply which is exactly why they died.

If some hobo runs up, no visible weapon, shouts "hands up, I have snipers in the area", then jumps in a car and drives off, where does that leave any sort roleplay? It not only completely shuts down the roleplay the medic was having, but also shuts down the the potential roleplay the police and hobo would have had.

How exactly is that a hobo? Just because he has no gun doesn't mean that his threats are empty. Equally, he gave  plenty of time to do something of which nothing occurred. The reason he drove of was because the people in the video wasn't comply. How is what they were doing shutting down roleplay with the police? the police was  the ones that didn't comply not the other way round. If the people in the video wanted to roleplay; they could of put their hands behind their head. Simple, as. Regarding the medics; yes it did shutdown their 'roleplay' however these is zero rules to state medics have a stronger roleplay compliance over anyone else.

You have a very odd definition of "clearly states" and "plenty of time". If you feel that this is an appropriate way to initiate, you may want to observe some more players before deciding to initiate yourself so you don't end up in this situation too.

I don't initiate because it's clear how it can be flipped around without any logical reason. Plenty of time was blatantly given. The fact is you didn't care enough to comply which is why the people died as a result of it.

"High quality roleplay" doesn't mean you believe every Tom, Dick, and Hobo that runs up to you and shouts at you. Think about how that would play out in real life? If the Hobo had waited around for a few moments longer, he would have been told to pop his hands on his head so that the police could talk to him about his potential threat on their life. Nobody, and I mean nobody, would put their hands up for some random hobo, no weapon, and no visible back-up.

Last time I check, in real life 70% of the people wouldn't have guns. This is Altis life in Atlis life you can buy a gun with relative ease. So, in fact you should of put your hands up because you should be aware in 'real life' that if you're at maximum 20clicks away from a rebel outpost then it's fair to assume that people in the facilitating area will have guns and are not fucking around. Also, you answered right there exactly why he drove away because he knew you'd tell him to put his hands up so he did the logical thing of driving away.

if you think an unarmed hobo in jesus sandals running up to cops and screaming you have snipers in the area is an acceptable form of initiation then im sorry but you really dont have the right kind of handle on what kind of environment we are trying to create here and may be better off going back to your more serious roleplay community where that kind of shit is acceptable 

You clearly don't get the point of him not having the gun and his friends having the gun? He's not the one that's going to pull out the gun as he clearly states so why would it matter what he wears?

 

[blaze1981]

Regarding the 'ruining RP with medics'; that doesn't matter. There is no preference to what form of RP is > another type of RP. How wasn't there enough time to comply with demands? There was plenty time given in that video for that person to comply. The reason they didn't comply is because they didn't want to comply which is exactly why they died.

How exactly is that a hobo? Just because he has no gun doesn't mean that his threats are empty. Equally, he gave  plenty of time to do something of which nothing occurred. The reason he drove of was because the people in the video wasn't comply. How is what they were doing shutting down roleplay with the police? the police was  the ones that didn't comply not the other way round. If the people in the video wanted to roleplay; they could of put their hands behind their head. Simple, as. Regarding the medics; yes it did shutdown their 'roleplay' however these is zero rules to state medics have a stronger roleplay compliance over anyone else.

I don't initiate because it's clear how it can be flipped around without any logical reason. Plenty of time was blatantly given. The fact is you didn't care enough to comply which is why the people died as a result of it.

Last time I check, in real life 70% of the people wouldn't have guns. This is Altis life in Atlis life you can buy a gun with relative ease. So, in fact you should of put your hands up because you should be aware in 'real life' that if you're at maximum 20clicks away from a rebel outpost then it's fair to assume that people in the facilitating area will have guns and are not fucking around. Also, you answered right there exactly why he drove away because he knew you'd tell him to put his hands up so he did the logical thing of driving away.

You clearly don't get the point of him not having the gun and his friends having the gun? He's not the one that's going to pull out the gun as he clearly states so why would it matter what he wears?

the reason that people use an unarmed hobo as the initiator is because he himself has no value for life , he wouldnt go up to them fully geared as the chances are he will end up dead after the first shots are fired and lose his 1 million pound load out so he thinks fuck it ill go up unarmed without gear initiate and if i die zero fucks given because i have no gear. That is not valuing your life

 

[Shambala12]

Regarding the 'ruining RP with medics'; that doesn't matter. There is no preference to what form of RP is > another type of RP. How wasn't there enough time to comply with demands? There was plenty time given in that video for that person to comply. The reason they didn't comply is because they didn't want to comply which is exactly why they died.

How exactly is that a hobo? Just because he has no gun doesn't mean that his threats are empty. Equally, he gave  plenty of time to do something of which nothing occurred. The reason he drove of was because the people in the video wasn't comply. How is what they were doing shutting down roleplay with the police? the police was  the ones that didn't comply not the other way round. If the people in the video wanted to roleplay; they could of put their hands behind their head. Simple, as. Regarding the medics; yes it did shutdown their 'roleplay' however these is zero rules to state medics have a stronger roleplay compliance over anyone else.

I don't initiate because it's clear how it can be flipped around without any logical reason. Plenty of time was blatantly given. The fact is you didn't care enough to comply which is why the people died as a result of it.

Last time I check, in real life 70% of the people wouldn't have guns. This is Altis life in Atlis life you can buy a gun with relative ease. So, in fact you should of put your hands up because you should be aware in 'real life' that if you're at maximum 20clicks away from a rebel outpost then it's fair to assume that people in the facilitating area will have guns and are not fucking around. Also, you answered right there exactly why he drove away because he knew you'd tell him to put his hands up so he did the logical thing of driving away.

You clearly don't get the point of him not having the gun and his friends having the gun? He's not the one that's going to pull out the gun as he clearly states so why would it matter what he wears?

In what way does the RP with the medics not matter. They want to RP with the cops and out of nowhere in the middle of RP, a hobo runs up and ruins everything. Also he gave about 2-3 secconds before shooting which is not enough to comply neither did ne attempt to RP with the cops before initiating on them. I think it's a good idea for this post to be locked before this turns into an argument.

 

[Scott1sh]

Bans/Unbans aren't supposed to be up for discussion, so if someone could *click* that button

 

[Samatlewis]

Bans/Unbans aren't supposed to be up for discussion, so if someone could *click* that button

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If you are too ignorant to realise that it was indeed UTTER SHIT initation and that the police had no actual reason to comply with the hobo then I don't think this server is for you.