Report a player - Unknown cutlass member - GTA RP

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Dan Wallace
Reported Players: Unknown cutlass member
Date: Jan 1, 1970
Time: 22:00
What best describes this incident: (G1.2) Random Death Match
Please (in detail) describe the incident: I was standing at hardwick looking at cars when I heard on radio that we (Hustlers) were fighting on cutlass turf. I was not prepared for a fight so I spent some time getting a gun at my house and going to impound to get my car.

While getting ready I heard on radio that my fellow gang members couldn't find another member that had been shot, and we believed he had been put in a car. Because of this we all headed up to sandy to see if we can catch who ever took him at a dodgy doctor.

After we checked all spots known to us, one member went up to paleto to check a spot he knew. We then decided to have a look for dodgys in the city but as I dont know of many locations I called Zino (Hustler member) who had gone to paleto to see if he knew of any to which he says “mara maybe”.

I then ask on radio if anyone knows where it is to which Jonny (Hustler Member) describes the location as “Cove” which I recognized and started driving there . As I approached the cave entrance I spotted a black sultan and two dark figures. Because of this I called out on radio “theres people here”.

After seeing the two people, I parked my car behind a rock to go and speak on foot, as I could not identify who they were. When I got out of the car I was shot and killed immediately with no words said. I was told in QE this was because I had a gun out.

I believe this breaks rule (G1.2) Random Death Match (RDM) as I had no high quality roleplay before being shot.

I was not wearing identifiable Hustler clothing and I was not at the situation on cutlass turf. There was nothing to indicate that if I approached I would be shot, as no words were said by either me or the people at cove.
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jxl4OPBqQDp9Tpifz?invite=cr-MSxDM08sMjc2OTExNjcs

I was the one that killed you in this situation.

Unsurprisingly your entire gang knew exactly where we were after not being followed and taking your member to the dodgy doctor. I'm assuming this has something to do with joining your discord call and checking the screens you, and I can only assume others, were sharing as can be heard from 2:40 onwards in the clip that you have provided.

You say that you checked dodgy doctors but yet your members were so adamant that we were there?

There was nothing random about this. After a fight with your members, one of your own was grabbed and taken to the dodgy doctor, somehow the rest of you were aware that we had taken him there and you pulled up gun-in-hand with your gang on the way to try and retrieve him.

If you wanted to approach and find out who we were, why would you remove yourself from your bulletproof car (one which we have fought you in multiple times) and run directly at where we have one of your members ziptied while having your gun out?

I believe you've tried to spin the narrative in this report and are trying to find any reason to have us banned in revenge.

Also may I ask why you have removed your audio from this clip?

I was not in a discord call with anybody on the server. I was streaming to my friend Jay, and the person joining the call you hear is JP. While both hustlers, neither of these were on the server at the time. Logs can confirm this.

I also have clips from the 10-15 minutes before this phonecall, where we are up north searching for the dodgy locations.
Examples below:


After checking all the spots I knew of up north, I thought to check if there were any dodgy doctor location in the city. I didn't know of any myself so called Zino to ask if he knew any.

Zino suggested marabunta, and when I asked on radio about a dodgy doctor at mara the other members knew where this was - at Cove.

Cove was the last place we searched, of course, because this is where Darren was.

I have recently reinstalled my operating system and have not configured my microphone input to medal as yet.

So, with the above in mind, can you please clarify why you shot at me without so much as a word said?

You wouldn't have known where your boy was initially as he was in a boot to prevent this metagaming that has become clear through your clips. I see you check one dodgy location and unlike when you turned up to cove, you didn't pull your gun out ready for conflict. Though you did this at the dodgy doctor at Cove.

Your clips line up with your member being taken out of the boot and suddenly the search stops up north and you all turn around and head to Cove.

There was a fight after your member pulled a gun and aimed it at one of our people on our turf and afterward he was taken to the dodgy doctor. You as a continuation of this are looking for him to try and retrieve him, as you keep pulling your gun out in the clips, it is evident that you are expecting hostility or planning it at the very least otherwise why would you go and arm yourself with a firearm?

You pull up to the dodgy doctor where we have your member ziptied. You then exit the vehicle, without trying to identify us from the safety of your bulletproof car, pull out your gun and start running directly towards us and your ziptied member. This is where I note you are driving a black jester that you have previously fought us in multiple times, have a firearm drawn and are approaching (from your perspective as you claim) a group of individuals at a dodgy doctor that could potentially be us or at the very least a dangerous situation as you already know this is a dodgy doctor location.

You could have scouted out the area, you could have not alerted us to your presence by driving down in a car that you have previously fought us in, you could have approached without your firearm drawn and the situation would have turned out differently and yet you failed to do any of these things and instead alerted your gang that we were there, decamped and ran head-first towards the group with your gun out.

This is the reason that you were shot.

So, with the above in mind, can you please answer what you would have done had you identified it was cutlass members with a fellow hustler in zipties?

The reason we all began speeding toward the city is that we had checked all locations up north that we were aware of. I personally had checked sandy/grapeseed, while other members went up great ocean, paleto, and the power plant. You can hear us talking about this, and the discussion about where a dodgy in the city may be, in the clip.

I believed that coming speeding at a group of you in a “war car” would immediately draw hostility and not leave the door open for any roleplay to happen, as you have already shown your group would rather shoot first and talk later. This is why I got out the car and approached on foot.

You keep saying this is a result of a situation on your turf prior, but there wasn’t a word said to me or the group I was with, and that’s why I have reported for RDM.

I’m not going to talk about ifs, buts, or maybes in this report as it has no impact on the outcome of this scenario and the gunplay over roleplay you and your group have displayed.

By shooting with no roleplay you shut the door on what could and should have been a high quality roleplay scenario.

With that said I believe what happened is a rule break and you don't. I'll leave it here for staff and answer their questions.

"I believed that coming speeding at a group of you in a “war car” would immediately draw hostility and not leave the door open for any roleplay to happen"

And drawing your firearm charging head-first into the opposition was the obvious choice for not showing hostility?

"as you have already shown your group would rather shoot first and talk later."

What an odd comment to make while you decamp from your "war car" and pull out your SMG to come over for a friendly chat!

"I’m not going to talk about ifs, buts, or maybes in this report as it has no impact on the outcome of this scenario and the gunplay over roleplay you and your group have displayed."

I was interested in what direction you wanted the situation to go because you had the prior knowledge that your gang had pushed our turf and we had taken your member to the dodgy doctor after a gunfight that they caused. Approaching with your gun drawn in this tense situation while knowing these details doesn't show me that you had any other intention than conflict.

Respectfully, I believe you're grasping at straws and this is a revenge report.

I hope you have a good day mate.

Hello,

@Dan Wallace
Why did you choose to approach with a gun drawn?
You weren't wearing hustler clothing, but you chose to drive a vehicle that could easily identify you as a hustler, why?

@KiloC
Why didn’t you attempt any verbal interaction or warning before shooting Dan?
Do you have evidence to support your metagaming claim against Dan?
How long was it from when you took the hustler, to when you shot Dan?

In hindsight, what could each of you have done differently to make this a better roleplay scenario?

Hello @OneShot,

I'm unable to tell you the precise time of which the Hustler was taken but this situation was a direct continuation of the initial shootout. Dan and his members were searching for the bloke that we had taken to the dodgy doctor as you can see in the clips and they were armed in war cars ready to retrieve the member that we had taken. With the prior context of a previous shootout and the fact that he was armed, decamped from an identifiable vehicle that had been present in multiple fights and running straight towards the zip tied Hustler surrounded by Cutlass members with his gun out where the Hustler had only recently been revived; I believed myself and my group to be in direct danger and so the shot was taken to dispatch of the threat.

If the roles had been reversed and considering the circumstances, if he had ran up on myself and my group and began lighting us up with gunfire, I don't believe that would have constituted as RDM as the context of this situation matters and it wasn't simply seeing a random individual in a random location and shooting him for no reason. He had prior knowledge that a shootout had taken place between our groups and that one of his members were missing as a result.

As for the metagaming claims, it's one of the hardest rules to prove and the timing aligns with his member being removed from the boot and being revived at the dodgy doctor and them all suddenly redirecting their attention to Cove while only having checked one other location in the clips. I, however, am not reporting them for this, this is just something that I have personally taken note of as I heard the sounds of people joining discord streams in his clip and investigated further.

I don't necessarily think the roleplay scenario was bad. There was prior context and roleplay, it was both part of a prolonged storyline and the direct continuation of a recent scenario, unfortunately gang shootouts do happen in this line of roleplay. Hustlers were set up further down the road and as we left, we were shot at with no communication as was to be expected considering this was an ongoing situation. This is a hard question to answer in my opinion as, if we're being honest, if I had ran down and approached the armed man in my cutlass outfit, it would have resulted in a shootout regardless as whether two words spoken: "Hands up" were added to the scenario (from either side) or I was shot upon being recognised, it wouldn't have constituted to instantly improving this scene as we both had weapons drawn. I'm not going to blame Dan solely for the direction this scene went as this was a result of both of our actions, we were both armed and expecting conflict as were both of our groups as you can see from the clips that have been provided. I personally think Dan rushed the gun, arrived too soon, his backup wasn't where he expected and unfortunately this resulted in him losing the situation which I understand why he may be upset with that but I don't believe his intentions were to have a conversation with the way that he presented himself by being openly armed and rushing towards us.

Shooting is a last resort for myself or the result of roleplay that would align with the actions my character would take. Hustlers began the initial situation by coming to our turf and drawing guns, escalating and resulting in both the lead-up and this situation and I can only imagine he was informed of this by his members that took these actions and were present for that.

Hi @OneShot

To answer your first question “Why did you choose to approach with a gun drawn?”. I had my gun out the the whole time we were searching for dodges. When I got out the car to approach the people at cove I wanted to keep my gun out as I knew it was a potentially hostile area and wanted to be prepared as my group was not far behind and I could defend myself.

In regards to your second question “You weren't wearing hustler clothing, but you chose to drive a vehicle that could easily identify you as a hustler, why?”.The reason I wasn't wearing hustlers clothing was because when I was informed of the fight and then the missing hustler I was in hardwick with a non affiated friend and as this is a time sensitive issue I did not have time to change. All my cars are black but I chose the jester as it was the most practical car available to me, as I would not have to go out of my way to get it.

In hindsight I could have waited for the rest of my gang before driving down, but as I believed if it wasn't cutlass this would have wasted valuable time. What I should of done is walked down with my hand up after telling my gang the plan as this would of helped me see who was down there and would help encourage more roleplay.

Hello @Dan Wallace & @KiloC

Thank you for submitting this report and providing evidence. After reviewing the evidence and what both parties have said, I have made a decision,

While I initially thought that Cutlass's decision to shoot first broke rule G1.2 by not interacting with @Dan Wallace before shooting, I got opinions from other staff and I reviewed the evidence further and it shows that Dan’s actions by approaching armed and driving a vehicle that can easily identify him as a Hustler could reasonably be a direct threat.

Given the context of an ongoing gang beef and a gunfight took place not too long ago, it is understandable why KiloC and Cutlass thought Dan’s approach as hostile. As a result, I no longer find this to be a rule break of G1.2.

Dan approached at the dodgy doctor location while visibly armed and driving a vehicle that can easily identify him as a Hustler. Despite being alone and outnumbered by multiple armed Cutlass members, Dan chose to exit his vehicle with a firearm drawn and ran towards them. This displayed poor judgment, as he didn't prioritize his life. These choices shows a clear failure to value his life (NVL).

While I will not issue a ban to any Cutlass in this case, it’s important for both parties to reflect on how this scenario could have been handled differently to promote higher quality roleplay:

• @Dan Wallace : Approaching a group of armed individuals while visibly armed yourself and outnumbered leaves little room for roleplay and places you in unnecessary danger. Always prioritize valuing your character’s life, especially in hostile or high risk situations.
• @KiloC : While your actions are understandable given the context, players are encouraged to consider dealing with scenarios through roleplay before resorting to violence. Even during gang beef, roleplay should remain the priority.

There was not enough evidence provided to support the claims of metagaming in this report.

Action Taken

CharID: 72921 (@Dan Wallace )
Rule:: G2.4
Punishment: Warning Issued